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tryin to free myself from a deadly addiction to pain pills open to any help  i'm am the mother of five married to my first love who has joined me in addiction

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If I may ask what type of

If I may ask what type of painkillers are you taking and how many a day and what milligram are you taking.  That makes a big difference in the way that you could "detox" yourself.  What I reccommend is slowly tapering yourself down from the amount that you are taking.  Say you are taking 10 pills a day of what ever strengh, try taking 2 in the morning say about an hour after you wake up.  Then take 2 in the middle of the day and 2 at night.   Or you could take 1 pill in the morning and another pill every 3 hours so that your overall intake of pills is less.  Keep reducing the amount of pills you take per day every week.  This way you will avoid withdrawls and be able to slowly ween yourself down.

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If you want to detox at home

If you want to detox at home you only really have a couple of options. You can always go cold turkey and just hold it together through the withdrawals. You could taper down slowly by a small increment every day or two or you could try to locate a longer acting med like methadone or suboxone that you can dose once daily and then slowly reduce the mg you take per day. When i like to taper myself i like to switch to suboxone and do a taper lasting no more than 10-14 days taking just enough to stop withdrawals but not everyone has access to suboxone or methadone. I also like switching to the once a daily longer acting meds for the taper like suboxone or methadone because it gets you out of the habit of taking pills all day yet keeps you out of withdrawal. 

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suboxone

suboxone is a medication your doc can rx you that you take at home that eases the withdrawel symptoms.  in fact, i have heard, that it makes it literally painless.

 

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The title of the thread was

The title of the thread was detox at home.... if a person wasnt trying to do it at home you can always try suboxone, methadone, or a rapid detox facility. but since the OP said detox at home.....those are out of the question, as you have to go somewhere and seek help to be put on those and that isnt at home. 

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detoxing @ home

i can relate to those who are going through this addiction...good luck to anyone who is trying to kick this.. i know i am and i will post more when it isnt 5am. with my opinions and experiences and i hope i can be of some help to others

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Rocky ride my friend

First thing you do is wash your sheets with some good smelling detergent. You are going to spend alot of time in bed. It is really a miserable time so you don't want to smell dirty sheets for the next week or two. Get some movies or books and lock yourself away if possible. Try and get up and move occasionally and stretch, take hot shower. Don't eat alot of red meat it makes stomach cramps worse. Drink some green tea. Keep a positive attitude and hang in there it will get better it takes some time. I wish you the best of luck. I have been ther many times.

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Are you prescribed the pain meds from a doctor?If you are there is no reason you have to suffer. If you are honest with him or her I am pretty sure they will help you with your detox to make it as comfortable as possible.If you are on any type of benxos I really suggest that you do not do home detox as you could have a seizure from stopping suddenly.If it gets really uncomfortable, you can always go to your local ER. Most hospitals have a detox floor and will help you out with meds to make it easier and also therapy and meetings to help you along.Do you have any support systems , such as friends,relatives that could be of some help?I have not gone through it myself, but I know people who have and I give them a lot of credit.Please take care of yourself and keep us posted as to how you are doing.I worked in a Hospital when I was working so if you want to talk please feel to private message me.Best of Luck, Nancie

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detox at home

I agreeeeeeee.....Rocky ride. do all Priester says except get to ready to spend time on toilet and do try to eat something, also agree with red meet. Take multivitamins everyday. Get ready fir those sheets and if you think you need to go to ER and be honest. Everything should be confidential, maybe. you are taking alot now so you might want to cut back every 2 days instead of one...if you choose to go thaat wy. Im just talking my experience only by mistake. Thought I could dose my self. Didnt work. I follow ONLY my pain docs ride now and life is a little better but worth not going thru that anymore. GOOD LUCK!!!! 

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okay so i went back to my doctor and i did not mention this before but hes one of those quack doctors where he asked me to date him and i said no because i am currently in a relationship...he refused to treat me. I am so upset by that, im at my wits end here. Ive started a taper off of the roxis. Let me know if this is too quick of a schedule or if anyone has input....it goes a lil  something like this:

 

with an addiction of 90mg a day

 

1st day: 1 30mg pill 3x a day and vicodin 5mg for breakthrough pain 3x a day

2nd day: 1 30mg pill 2 x a day, 1 15mg pill 1x a day and same vicodin schedule

3rd day: 1 30mg pill 2x a day but cut in haves to spread out the intake, 5mg vicodin 2x a day

4th day: 1 30 mg pill 1x a day, 1 15mg 1x a day, same vicodin schedule (here I found a bit uncomforable but took some xanax to relax)

5th day: same schedule as above

6th day: 1 30 mg pill 1x a day cut into 1/4s, same vicodin schedule but 2x a day

7th day: same as above

8th day: 1 15 1x a day cut into 1/2s

9th day: NO PILLS

10th day: START SEBOXEN IF NEEDED or experiencing WD's

 

 

 

if i do start the seboxen:

 

1st day: 1 8mg seb. 2x a day

2nd day: 1/2 8mg seb. 2x a day

3rd day: 1/4 8mg seb.  2x a day

4th day: 1/4 1x a day

5th day: none

 

 

 

let me know if this is a good taper method, any comments, changes, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. i want to have as little wd as possible.

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I personally would just stop

I personally would just stop taking the roxicodone and vicodin with perhaps one day at half of what you are taking now and then do 5-7 days of suboxin similarly to what you outlined. If you were to do it your way since you are already tapering down the roxicodone and vicodin taking 2 8mg tabs per day is a lot higher dose than the normal opiates you are taking. So if you are going to taper the roxicodone and vicodin in your outline I would start out with 1/2 8mg pill twice a day not a whole one you could probably get away with less.

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I completely agree with

I completely agree with frk....I was on a HUGE dose of the patches and I am currently on the Suboxone 2 8mg pills a day and that is perfect for me. I know if I go over the 2 8mg pills a day I get headaches & feel weird. So maybe you could get away with half a pill in the morning.

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hey guys...okay so its day 2

hey guys...okay so its day 2 and i took your advice...i am on NO roxi. the only discomfort i feel is lazyness...omg all i want to do is lay in bed.  I went and drank a hot cup of coffee and took a hot bath. My body hurts but i took an 800mg IB and it helped ALOT. after reading my outline i was like wow, i am overdosing myself with more than i normally take. ::stupid!:: I am going to start the sub as soon as i feel more discomfort. I see it like this, If i dont feel any discomfort then its not time to take sub. I dont understand though, i have a friend who is addicted to roxi as well and if he doesnt have it the very next morning hes puking sweating ready to rip my head off. Im like dude seriously you MUST be doing something else for sure...he swears all he takes is one 30mg a day and nothing else...along with smoking pot...(not anything really bad as far as im concerned) and a little xanax here and there...so why are his WDs so severe and mine not so bad? is it because i work out on a regular basis and eat well? i heard that plays a huge factor in how your body digests the opoids. I also drink a lot of caffiene and water.

 

Pain pills and heroin are like an epidemic around here. EVERYONE IS DOING IT. I want to help them too, but they dont want it. Ill say "lets do this together: but ill be sober and then see them out all messed up and then I would relapse too. Im PAST THAT. THANK GOD! Then I have another friend who is hooked on heroin. Its ridiculious how she lies to  me thats hes taking vicodin but ive found bags in her jeans when i went to borrow a pair and shes always nodding off and talking crazy. vicodin doesnt do that to most people...atleast not to me ever. The difference with me is that i was a functioning addict. I never lied or stole to support my habbits...I was always honest with my friends..i just dont understand people i guess everone is different.

 

thanks for your help i really appreciate it a lot!Tongue out

 

good luck to all who is in my boat and is trying to quit, i wish you the best of luck!

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i forgot to ask...if i do 5

i forgot to ask...if i do 5 days of detox w sub. will i experience any wd? i hear sub wd is worse than what i feel now.

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You are not clean yourself

You are not clean yourself yet, so don't be alarmed if others you know are not quick to take your path, or advice. You have to take care of yourself first, and then the other things will come.

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If all your feeling is

If all your feeling is tiredness I wouldnt even take the suboxen. If it gets worse then take as little as posible to stop the withdrawals. Everyone has different levels of withdrawal so one person could feel more withdrawal from less mg. You wont really build a dependency to the bupenorphine in that time but there will most likely be some sort of cross tolerance because it is still an opiate and you still might feel something when you stop as you clean your receptors completely from all opiates. I am curious you said you stopped taking the roxicodone but are you still taking the vicodin? Because if you are that could be why you arnt experiencing many withdrawal symptoms and why your friend would because you are still ingesting an opiate (vicodin).

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home...

Since I don't know the original poster's amounts, frequencies, etc., I can only offer minimal help.  Compared to some on this site my on and off pain killer issues will seem like chump change.  But, even at low doses, I have experienced extremely awful withdrawal symptoms.  With no doctor or anyone else to turn to, I tried a few things.  My amounts and types differed but roughly the equivalent of 3-6 7.5/500 hydrocodones/day.

Weaning was impossible and typically unavailable to me (as a source would just be gone, no warning) so cold turkey was the only way.  Sometimes I had the option of being at home for a few days, and sometimes I actually had to try and work.  The fatigue is an interesting paradox with, for me, the severe panic attacks (which I get whether w/d-ing or not).  So, if you're truly at home, I agree about the sheets.  Also the bathroom.  Get some baby wipes.

If you can't take the trips to the john after awhile, many products are now available via pill instead of yucky tasting bismuth products.  But then we're back to pills.

Warm soothing baths, darkness, quiet and if you can, some kind of cooled pillow for the headaches.

Yogic breathing, which involves deep slow breathing in and out through the nose.  Imagine how proud you should be for trying to do this.  Visualize the money you will save and the roller coaster ride you'll be able to disembark from!  Close your eyes an imagine your peace color.  This sounds hoaky to some folk, but if this is a TRUE home detox, you need to use everything at your disposal.

Valerian or Kava Kava, if you can stand the smell and your stomach can stand the taste, may help with that panicky feeling. (I can't handle them, but others have told me the two can help... if you have a health food store nearby). Valerian tea works quicker but smells horrific.  Valerian pills you can at least down quickly, but must be stored in the fridge.

Light meals to keep up your strength, no heavy sauces or meats.  Bananas for potassium.  The restless legs will be rough. (So stretching too, as others have said).  Lots of fluids, especially water.  If the bathroom trips get really bad you could risk dehydration or other problems.  As others have said, if it's really bad, get to a hospital.  I have found gatorade (or similar, without the caffeine unless you need caff in a.m. to avoid headache) also helps in this situation.

If you have access to benzos they can help.  Again, with the mindset that this is temporary.  Barring those, I have had good luck with good ole generic benadryl, which is an allergy med that also can help with sleep.  At least to help you sleep through the rough stuff. Don't overdo, even if they are OTC. And read the interactions... we don't know what else you might be taking.

As others have said, ibuprofen or other OTC pain reducers can help you.  If you've been taking large amounts of acetominophen with your pk's watch out for your liver.  Another good reason for the fluid push.

It hurts.  It's gonna x*#&.  I give you so much credit for trying and wish you and anyone else luck with this.

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have detoxed 30-40 times

yeah, you think i would learn after THAT many times.. but i always went back to the oxys once i could get/find/afford them.. even if I had been clean for 3, 5, 7 days or more...

so just some info on withdrawals and detox from my many times going cold turkey at home... sometimes i can go 24 hours without a pill, before i begin to feel horrible. other times, the WDs start to kick in after just 6 hours or so.  i guess it depends on what i've drank or eaten and what my metabolism is like that day. and not all withdrawals take the standard 72 hours.. i have had DTs/WDs last 5-7 days before.. I've also had DTs be over in 2 days before.

the best advice i can give you is to stay calm and think positive. usually the WORSE i think the WDs are going to be and the more upset I get, then they are TERRIBLE.

it helps to have supportive people around you, if you have kids - try to get help with them, and have as much quiet, cool, dark, bedroom time as possible.

feel better soon.

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yes i was taking 7.5 of vics

yes i was taking 7.5 of vics during that time which is prob why i didnt have any wds. yesterday i went w/o anything and when i tell you i had kicking and sweats and anything you name it.. it was the worst thing ive ever had. a friend of mine gave me a 5mg methadone so i could return to work today.. im fine but i dont want to be on methadone either..he told me it will bypass the wd from roxis and vics and i wouldnt have to take it everyday just that one pill should be in my system long enough for bypass. is this true ?

 

 

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Well methadone has a very

Well methadone has a very long half life of a couple days. That one pill should keep you out of withdrawals for a day or two and lower your withdrawals once it leaves your system but dont think of that one pill as a cure for your withdrawals as you will still feel some after that leaves your system just not as much as if you didnt take anything. My personal suggestion would be to get another pill cut in in half and once you start feeling withdrawals take a half (and the other half a day later if necesary).

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well everyone. i have decided

well everyone. i have decided to go into rehab. I found a rehab that will take me in via no insurance. I will go through a 5-7 day detox with suboxone and then 28 days after in counciling. Until a bed opens up I am going to take the methadone to keep me from wds. but i only have 3 methadone left and 2 seboxen. what is some advise on what i should do. thanks all

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also!

ive been on methadone and sub. the first time i tried to quit opis. this is my question...why when i talked to my sponsor said that a dextox off opis should be 5-7days. you shouldnt be on sub. any longer... this is for users of vic-oxycontin...(not heroin). so why are there people posting that they have been on sub for years and methadone for years..this doesnt make any sense!

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they are using those meds for pain control? wish i could help you

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no not at all. they take them

no not at all. they take them becasue their doc rxs them to get off opis so this is why it doesnt make sence..is the dr just trying to get money outta my friends?

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a guy picking up

a couple pills of suboxone at the pharmacy monday described it as "the new crack".   

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I never understood why they

I never understood why they did prescribed them so long but there are some reasons. Maybe some docs just want the money because they know the addict will come back for his maintenance medication. Also some addicts would rather stay on a legal dependency forever if it ment not touching illegal drugs so they stay on it for a long time. I knew three people who were prescribed suboxone. One person was prescribed suboxone for years but stopped after a couple months and just diverted(sold) the rest and never touched an opiate till this day. I have known another person who the doctor gave it to him for 2 months and then tapered him off through another month I think and hasnt touched an opiate since. Then the last person went into rehab and did a week methadone detox and then left with a prescription for suboxone.... only took it for a week or two (was supposed to be on it for a long time) and then relapsed, overdosed and died....so perhaps he should have stayed on it. One person was on it for a short time and was fine....another was supposed to be it long term but stopped early and OD'd and the one person on it for years doesnt even take it he just diverts them. So some people should probably be on it for a long time and others dont really need it. It kind of depends on the person and the persons personality/attitude about quitting.

Idk about going that far as "the new crack" but surprisingly enough the first time I ever heard of suboxone was as a senior in high school when i heard of people abusing it and watching kids nodding out in the cafeteria. Once I actually found out what it was I couldnt believe that they gave it to addicts to get them off opiates when i saw people abusing them in school it was rediculous. It was only till I realized that it is still an opiate and is just a legal opiate maintenance tool that i understood why doctors even prescribe it at all. People say all the time that you cant take any other opiates with it but I know personally that's false so it is just a legal maintenance tool. My personal opinion is that it should only be used as a short term taper and not for years because a person either wants to quit or doesnt and they either will stop taking them once they taper off opiates using suboxone or they will go back to taking narcotics.

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i agree with the post above.

i agree with the post above. my sponsor said that unless they have a severe problem where as they would be on the sub bc they are more likely to relapse and it prevents users from getting high..however it depends on the person, like myself where i need it just to come off my RX whereas i dont plan on touching opis afterwards bc i have a strong willpower and i know and have been through wds and after you experience that you NEVER want to touch them again...atleast in my opinion

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however the only think im not

however the only think im not looking forward going into rehab is the whole holyroller higher power thing.. i am not religious however i do practice meditation and some spirituality...i hope that they can accept that i am not seeking god, but myself as a higher power. in no offence to anyone else god doesnt determine what i do, I DETERMINE WHAT I WILL OR WILL NOT DO.

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rehab doesn't = GOD

you don't need religion to be successful or accepted in rehab. people in recovery can be religous,  spiritual (2 different things!) or athiest. all that matters is that you believe in yourself and your support netwrok.

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its all in your head you can

its all in your head you can either quit and respect the flu like symtoms as just that you being sick or say t oyurself im withdrawling i need some more drugs

 

80% of guys that where addicted to morphoine in the war came home only to stop taking it as a req drug beleived they where jsut getting a bad flu and withdrew like that

 

same way anyhting can be mind over matter religion has notthing to do with it

 

either strong minded person or weak :)

 

GL wiht your goal Jayla

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Please Help Me with Hydrocodone Addiction/Detox at Home

I have been on 60 mg per day of Hydrocodone (Norco) for over a year due to Chronic Pelvic pain relating to numerous female issues.  I have found myself using more than I should, and having to take more for the desired effect.  I have worked in CD treatment for years and am aware I am addicted to this medication.  I have also seen horrible withdrawal and am scared to do it myself.  I cannot miss large amount of work and have to at least lower my dosage each day.  I am supposed to take 5 10 mg pills per day, and I find myself taking between 7-8 instead.  I would like to get back down to 4 or 5 per day, as I am still in pain.

If anyone has a schedule I could follow to get my usage down, I would be so grateful.  I am a therapist, and am fully aware of abuse vs dependence and the withdrawal symptoms I will experience.  I want to make this as easy as possible.  Due to an interaction with another medication I take, I cannot take Advil, or Alieve, and have to be careful with Tylenol as each pill contains 325 mg of Acetimetiphin (spelling?).

Please, if anyone has suggestions or advice about how I can make this easier please let me know.  I am not trying to completely stop, but resume taking my medication as prescribed.  I am alrready experiencing insomnia, horrible leg aches, and mental confusion.

Being as aware as I am about CD issues has its advantages, but it also makes me feel ashamed and I feel like I have lost control of something I should have known better not to do.  I would appreciate a schedule, instructions, ect.  I know what I will experience, but I need a structured home detox to get back to 4-5 pills per day.  Please help.  I am desperate and do not want to tell my doctor.

I hope someone can help.  One more thing, I do not want to take any medication for the detox.  I just want to tough it out.

Thank you.  Please help.

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good luck....here is a link to a topic....if you enter detox into our search engine there are many more posts to look at with good advice...

 

 

http://www.pharmer.org/forum/discussion-prescription-and-otc-meds/hydrocodone-withdraw

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i am going to start detox soon

I plan to ween down for a week taking 8-7-7-6-6-5-5-4-4-3 than 2 my last day mid day. I have read several posts that explain how to cope. I have been taking pills for about 5+ years and have other addictions as well. I pretty strong mentally but the pills are out of control. I usually take 20mg when i wake up so by the time i am out of teh shower i feel normal pretty good actually). I have tried to stop but the withdrawels are pretty uncomfortable. I can take 10+ 10mg pills a day at this point. I have decided to try at home and hear it wont take more than 3-5 days to get through the initial challenges. I need suggestions from people that have actually done this and have a full work load. I do own my company so needless to say i am free to take a few days off. My plan to take off thursday, stock up on vitamin supllements, immodium, unisom or tylanol pm, ibuprofin, gatorade and watch cable and stay focused. i will have to do some work but since i do most of my work on teh phoen or by computer i can squeeze a few hours (literally) a day. SOMEBODY HELP! I have a 4 year old boy whom i love dearly and a girlfriend who si amazing. She has no idea i pop pills as much as i do.