October 15, 2009 - 5:46am
My severely addicted friend decided to go to a PM doc, lie, and get Oxycodone 30mg IR (I think that's what he told me) in order to get off heroin. I was wondering how in the world he, being 20, could successfully get such a highly controlled drug from a doctor. I got my answer when he referred me to the doctor's website. Oh, boy. (I would LOVE to provide a link so you could read this craziness for yourself, but I don't want more people going to this guy. And I'm sure it's against the rules). According to his website, they:
+Do not accept insurance
+Do not do tests
+Do not do X-Rays
+Do not do MRI's.
Just pharmacological pain management and massage. Does anyone else think this is a bit off? According to DORA (hey mod, DORA is specific to my state so, I'm not sure if I can leave it in or not?) there is no actions against his license or anything. But c'mon! It sounds like all you have to do is ask for drugs and he says: no prob! My friend claims he got this on his second visit:
Oxycodone IR 30mg tabs #150 1-5 q d po Prn pain. (I'm not sure what the doc wrote as far as when to take them)
Should I report this guy to the DEA? Or DORA?
October 15, 2009 - 1:31pm
#2
quack
i use to live in south florida and went to many of these in the beginning of my pain management journey, the bad thing is the court system will tell your friend you put the tip in on him, a law that emerged is the right to confront all those involved in the prosecution of a crime that is why the tip lines now say you are not anonymus. there are so many clinics and doctors doing this you are wasting your time. there is the pill crew here where i live ,they rent a bus and make a trip to ft lauderdale to get pills with no medical records at all. the trip is funded by one man who gets to keep half the meds in return so the Law enforcement know but do little to controll it, spend your energy on something worth while, other than snitching on a friend, help the friend rather than hurt him.
October 15, 2009 - 2:24pm
#3
WAIT UP. WHO TO REPORT???
WAIT UP!!!!! WHO IS TO BE REPORTED??? the doctor who is doing his JOB or the friend who is scamming the doctor because he's got no job? Beavus mom, you are on the wrong side of the picture. Get it right. You sound SMART. Think about what I just said about the JOB thing.
If you have reports and you falsly PRESENT them as not your or OLD. Its the doctor's fault because he believed you right? The basis of a doctor/patient TRUST relationship.
GET IT RIGHT
YOU DONT BELIEVE ME? ASK ANYONE ON HERE WHO THEY BLAME AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF BELEIVING YOU.
ASK...I guarantee if you took a survery, you will have 5,000,000 to 100,000 who think that the patient is the problem.
It just makes good news because its unpopular and is looking to become popular and is there for a new/news story.
BUT WHY DONT YOU JUST REPORT YOUR FRIEND TO AN ADDICTION CLINIC?
October 15, 2009 - 2:22pm
#4
"If you have reports and you
"
If you have reports and you falsly PRESENT them as not yours or OLD. Its the doctor's fault because he believed you right? Man you and Oprah and Dr. Phil love your attention.
GET IT RIGHT
YOU DONT BELIEVE ME? ASK ANYONE ON HERE WHO THEY BLAME AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF BELIEVING YOU.
ASK...."
I dont understand what you are saying here Flyer, will you explain it to me? Why would someone say that their reports were not their's or were old if they are trying to scam? What would happen if someone agrees that the doctors are to blame?
October 15, 2009 - 3:05pm
#5
Ok its like this. The person
Ok its like this. The person attempts to defraud the doctor by presenting false documentation and therefore gets their medicine. So much of this HYPE of prescription drug abuse recently has cripled physicians ability to help patients with pain. Its the basis for the majority of complaints of undertreatment that exists because of this MODERN hunt for doctors who prescribe medicines.
Look this up: what is the basis for a doctor/patient relationship. Trust. The doctor MUST trust the patient. It doesn't make sense that a doctor who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an education which is based on helping man is going to risk it ALL for a drug seeker. That is unless the patient is so cunning and devious that they have the ability to scam fellow man so well and that they are able scam an entire system DESIGNED to help man as a basis. The negative onus is on the patient.
Now doctors have to decide who to trust. It doesn't fit because in the "doctor" context, man is all the same. This is where the crisis comes in. How do you treat a scamming man but not a scamming man? All of society is entrusted to be honest to those helping them. I mean I dont think anyone thinks its ok to hurt someone who is helping them, right? I mean that is unless they are so moral-less that they think its ok. That is where this conflict now lies. Now doctors who have sworn to help man, have to now assume that EVERYONE is scamming them and "chose" to abandon that phillosophy because of a few bad apples. The basis for them becoming doctors was to help man to begin with. So therefore this whole oddessy starts with people who are trying to scam a genuinely good system.
If you trace my posts you will see that I am NOT blind to either side of this issue. My first post was, "how can I report a doctor who mistreated me" or something like that.
What I have learned is that this whole PROBLEM started with the people who "threw the first punch" - the people who chose to get "high" off a thousand year old phillosophy-MEDICINE
What would happen if someone believes BEAVUSMOM? Its happening all over: People who are really in pain are suffering for a few BAD apples..
P.S. Please don't tell me that I just completed an essay for you or something like that. hahhahahhh......
October 15, 2009 - 3:17pm
#6
I understand you. I guess it
I understand you. I guess it was your wording that threw me off in the other post. I agree with points you both made, but I think I am more with you. The bad apples, as you say, are primarily the ones to blame.
October 15, 2009 - 5:55pm
#7
MY 2 CENTS
1ST , I don t believe a person would have to deceive a Dr. in a pill factory, the cost per visit an scripts being filled would be as conveinent as buying off the street but as a guarnteed supply, the private clinic that does nt do no testingg is just that a pill pusher.
A true Dr. , will if possible veiw Your old files an records, have new tests ordered an reveiwed, then as a puzzle He d try to place all the pieces together , to get proper pain management.
if something is nt right, there s nothing wrong with anyone bringing it to the attention, of the proper authorities for reveiw if they ok, no harm, a person has to follow their consceince sometimes.
Woodstock
October 15, 2009 - 8:47pm
#8
Oh, I have so many things I
Oh, I have so many things I want to say about this thread. I guess I'll try to start in some order.
To the OP, I understand where you are coming from. I have a friend in the state I live in, whom I used to know when I lived back in NY so we've been long-time friends. He developed a very bad pill habit, to the point that I had to end our friendship because I didn't trust being around him, being that I'm on pain medications myself. Anyway, I couldn't believe how easy it was for him to just call up his dentist, or go to this doctor, or that emergency room and walk out with some crazy scripts! At one point he even got an RN on board with him and had her writing stolen scripts for him. Unfortunately I didn't have enough info. to report it or I definitely would have. Anyway, I think you should talk with your friend. It seems like he's trying to do the right thing by getting clean, but if this doctor is willing to easily write anything for your friend, it might turn into its own problem. The best thing you can do right now is be supportive.
Beavismom, if this doctor is still practicing and you know he's up to no good, you my be able to get some action by reporting it directly to your state's medical board. I know here in AZ they recommend that things like that be dealt with by the medical board. Here in my state when an allegation like that is lodged they'll usually do something like a pull of 2 sample medical charts.
Flyer, while I understand your points, there is one thing I want to comment on. In your post you say, "It doesn't make sense that a doctor who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an education which is based on helping man is going to risk it ALL for a drug seeker." Before I started using this board, I would have completely felt the same way. However, since being on this board, I've read links to stories from other poster's about doctor's losing their licenses for this very thing. I've also started reading my own state's medical board's sanctions monthly. I'm SHOCKED at how many doctors actually do put their careers on the line for pill mills! Basically the story goes one of two ways. One is that a doctor him/herself is a drug addict and writes scripts haphazardly (usually with the conditions like no insurance, no tests, etc. that the OP posted) because they are messed up themselves, they are diverting the pills themselves, and/or they need the cash to buy their drug of choice with the less-traceable cash. The other story that I seem to see happen that causes doctors to risk their licenses is money troubles. They can make a lot of cash really quickly by writing script after script. Think about it. A good doctor will spend at least 15-20 minutes with you. A pill mill doctor will spend 5 at most. That's 3-4 times as many patients in a day! At even $200 a patient that's at least $800 an hour more or about $6400 a day! Most pill mill doctors charge even more than that. One of the problems the courts are having in convicting these pill mill doctors is the very statement you made. People don't want to or can't believe that a doctor would put their education on the line, and we tend to hold doctors in high regard in our society. Believe it or not, a lot of doctors aren't making ends meat. They come out of school with $150,000+ in student loans. That's a LOT of debt to carry without even having a job. Then you have to set up a practice or join one, there's alwasy costs related to that (staff, general costs, blah blah blah). It's gonna take some time to pay back those loans. Now think about a pill mill doctor. He's gonna pull in like $10,000 a day in cash....he'll have maybe one other employee there who works as a receptionist/nurse. He'll pay her $10 an hour or heck, he's generous $20 an hour, so she goes home with $160 a day. That still leaves darn near close to $10,000 a day in cash. Minus costs for rent on office space, general costs, etc., a doctor could easily pay back his student loans in mere months!
October 15, 2009 - 10:42pm
#9
all comes down to $$$$...
all comes down to $$$$... some Doctors fall to the reality and temptation that it can be made quickly and in much quantity..... MORALS... that is the key.. I can remember a post a month or so ago about the DEA indictment report into a pill mil (does this hurt? no well, you have to tell me something that hurts for me to help you) l... morals were put aside when the money adds up quickly with a pill mill.... and all the ads looking for a Dr just to sign scripts... all $$$$....... even the best will crack when presented the prospects of making 2, 3 or 4 times as much for just signing scripts all day instead of a reputable practice.
October 15, 2009 - 10:59pm
#10
Yeah
CERTAINLY. I agree that there are bad apples with doctors as well. I just meant that its for the majority that I personally have been felt to be a CRIMINAL because of my need for medication. However, more and more recently (the last Dr. Phil) the EMPHASIS is on the poor patient. Although they ARE put into the hot seat (the person coming to terms with their addiction on live TV) which is something that people are unconfortable with to begin with, that people TRY to step back and go for the doctor. I mean seriously, does anyone here NOT feel like we are crimialized because of our legit need for medicine that helps? I dont know. Like I said, I started on this board with the post: How can I report a doctor? And this was because I was demoralized by a doctor. But all I can think about is the BAD apple that made him feel that way. Although that wasn't me, I took it VERY personally. Now its a different story. Its a burn hard dilemma. What do doctors do? But then again, how do we reclaim the rights were are entitled to as patients?? Heh hehhh!!!
Enjoy folks!!
October 16, 2009 - 10:44am
#11
Flyer, you were worried about
Flyer, you were worried about writing an essay? Wait until I am done with this post (LOL).
To all posters, first of all this person that I "know" is definitely not a "friend", he is a drug addict and dealer. That's it. The tip line that I used is totally anonymous or I wouldn't have used it. Believe me. This guy has been in prison before and has guns! He has two children living at home and deals out of his house. There are cars parked in his driveway and down the street, his home is full of people that only come there to buy drugs. I am most concerned about the children living in this environment, which was what caused me to report him in the first place. I know its not going to make a big difference in the scheme of things, but the children shouldn't have to live like that.
Chef, what you mentioned about the pill crew all going on a bus to Ft. Lauderdale, that is exactly what this guy does, but doesn't use a bus. And he does go to the pill mills in Ft. L. I know you are right about wasting my time. There are so many immoral clinics like that, that one report will not make a difference.
Flyer, of course it is the addict/"patient" that is the problem. They are the ones abusing the system. However there are far too many "doctors" that allow this to happen. As Kelly said, about doctors losing their licenses for this very thing. I too have checked our state sanctions online and its appalling how many there are. These aren't poor misunderstood doctors that were just trying to help an unfortunate patient in pain. They are drug dealers. However, yes, you are right, doctors do have to trust the patient and what he says. That is the basis for a doctor/patient relationship. We see this all the time at my office. There are times that we will "know" someone isn't telling the truth about something, but we have to base our decisions and care on what they tell us. It isn't up to the doctor to be a lie detector and try to figure out what is truth and what isn't. All you have is what the patient tells you. But what do you mean "what would happen if someone believes BeavisMom"? I don't know what you mean by that. I am in the same boat as you all. As I've mentioned elsewhere, my neurologist will give me #30 Lortab that is to last me for one month. That's it! I cannot get adequate pain relief either because of doctors that have become jaded because of the bad apples. There are many bad apples, but unfortunately (for us CPs) there are more patients with legitimate complaints and pain who cannot be adequately treated.
Thank you, Woodstock, that is the point I was trying to make. Sure, an addict can go out to the streets and buy, oh say 30 mg Roxies at a cost of $15 a piece (which if you wanted to buy #240 would be $3600!), or go to one of the pill mills once a month and pay $200 to walk in the door and get RX's for, as I said in my first post #240 Roxies, #150 Percocets and #150 Xanax for example, maybe sell half, take other people with you and take half of their RX's as payment for the ride and come out ahead financially and still have a bunch of pills left. All of the pills RX'd by a doctor, who like Kelly said, will spend 5 minutes with you, do no testing, review no records, do this all day long and at the end of the day, goes home with bundles of cash in his pocket. I'm sorry, that is not a doctor to me. "That is where this conflict now lies. Now doctors who have sworn to help man, have to now assume that EVERYONE is scamming them and "chose" to abandon that phillosophy because of a few bad apples. The basis for them becoming doctors was to help man to begin with." (Quoting Flyer). What you are describing is not the type of doctor that works in a pill mill. How is "helping man"? By providing handfuls of pills to people that you know are addicts? They don't assume everyone is scamming them. They already know that. And they don't give a &*&?!
Kelly, I don't know any of these doctors. I don't even know their name. Its just a large clinic staffed by many doctors. I did provide the name of one of the clinics to the tip line, but I know it won't do any good. There are so many loopholes that they won't get in trouble. And thank you for putting it so eloquently exactly what it was I was trying to say.
And asmmw, you also said what Kelly said and I was trying to say. And it actually makes me cry. I have worked for doctors for almost 30 years (not to mention my time as a medic in the army) and have always held doctors in high regard. A good, real doctor deserves our respect and gratitude. But there are too many for whom money causes them to abandon their morals. Then you don't have a doctor, you have a pill pusher. I imagine, for someone with weak morals, it just might be hard not to take the easy way out. Sit behind your desk or whatever, say "next" and just write RX's all day. You dont even need to use your god given mind or put your expensive education to work. No thinking involved at all. No exams to do, no tests to order, no results to interpret. Just sign a pre-printed script! What a career!
Yes, flyer. We CPs are the ones in most cases made to look and feel like a drug seeker, addict, criminal. And the majority of doctors are good, moral, caring people. And alot of those doctors have been burned by true addicts, so are reluctant to really help us with the proper pain relief. Which is a true, real problem. However, this thread was pretty much about pill mills and the doctors that work there. I was not dissing these doctors or CPs at all!
(Quoting flyer again)
GET IT RIGHT
YOU DONT BELIEVE ME? ASK ANYONE ON HERE WHO THEY BLAME AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF BELIEVING YOU.
ASK...." I don't have to ask. Believe me, I know. I am in the same spot as the rest of you.
(End of essay!).
October 16, 2009 - 11:59am
#12
South Florida..
Why has this area become a mecca for pain management clinics? I picked up the New Times rag/paper today and can't believe the pages and pages of advertisements. "First Visit: $35.00" - "Dispensing On Site" - "We accept all Competitors Coupons!" etc.
I thought Florida was purportedly cracking down on these places. But from the looks of things, apparently not! :: shudders:: Theresa
October 16, 2009 - 1:09pm
#13
I-95 billboard
the family and I were driving on I95 last weekend and saw a nice billboard. Plain and simple "Pain Clinic - Exit 70, 2.5 miles west of I95" ... that was all that was on it...... Exit 70 is in West Palm Beach.... we were quite a bit farther north, near exit 140... that's 70 miles away..
No Dr name, no phone number, no actual address
and Beavismom... well said.
October 16, 2009 - 1:48pm
#14
BeavisMom, well thought out
BeavisMom, well thought out and written, bravo!! 
I give you an A.
October 16, 2009 - 3:50pm
#15
Quacks
I know that too many people go to these Dr.'s and make it rough for the real patients....Unfortunatley there is not much we can do...The DEA is probably already on to them..it's hard to run a practice like that one and not be known...so don't worry too much, they always get what's coming to them...
Me.
October 16, 2009 - 5:19pm
#16
asmmu,
Yes I noticed that a huge amount of these advertisements were from clinics in Palm Beach County. What is going on here?
October 16, 2009 - 7:33pm
#17
T. Calderone -
T. Calderone - "coupons"???!!! Holy Cow! Thats a new one to me! Pretty sick if you ask me. I don't know what it is about S. Florida. Its an interesting thought to ponder though. Thoughts anyone? Why is S. Florida such a mecca for these pill mills? I know I don't have a clue. A friend of this person that I know (also NOT a friend) told hubby that there were people from Oklahoma! at the clinic in Ft Lauderdale. Like chef said, I think they had a bus or van or something. Anyway there were a bunch of people that came from OK and apparently spent the day, going from clinic to clinic in S. FL, loaded up on the pills and went back to OK, presumably to sell them or something. Amazing! Its like FL has a national reputation for such a thing. Its sad and scary.
asmmw and mrbrandman- Thank you.
October 16, 2009 - 10:56pm
#18
and off topic kinda but it
and off topic kinda but it amazes me... my job is consumer fraud investigations in FL, major one is Telemarketing... and what is the prevalent fraud/scam here .. you got it telemarketing... we have strict laws regulating them but they still love to operate here.. why? who knows, why not go to a state where it is not regualted and not in the spotlight... guess that's where the pill mill story fits here.... FL is known for it, why risk it.. move on to another area... guess the answer comes back to quick money but everybody knows these "Dr offices" are being watched, why continue and risk being caught... money = greed... god bless you all
October 16, 2009 - 11:05pm
#19
Wow, telemarketing?
Wow, telemarketing? Curious... Htmom
October 17, 2009 - 8:32pm
#20
Oh boy, we are a nation of
Oh boy, we are a nation of adicts and by and large it isn't to painkillers. It's to everything else you see commercials for like cymbalta to yaz! And funny how for instance I've never seen a commercial for a controlled substance on tv, I've seen advertisements to them in magazines; like Vyvanse the newest amphetamine prescribed for ADHD and the like. When I saw that ad in Motor Trend and saw the "CII" emblem on the page my jaw dropped thinking oh great this is just another medicine the children will want to insufflate. And when you ask if anything beyond benzos and opioids will make you withdrawal and big pharma says "no", they coin a new term like "discontinuation syndrome" for when you stop taking that heavy duty SSRI! But hey it's still not withdrawal. Should have seen my brother go ape when he didn't have enough money to get his antidepressant after he was laid off and couldn't afford his $700 per month Cobra.
(edit)M-X
October 17, 2009 - 3:16am
#21
florida
i thought it was bacause alot of elderly people are down in florida for the nice weather year round. i believe the elderly are on alot more meds than say a 20 or 30 yr old. that being said wouldnt it make sense for alot of pain clinics? i understand the pain clinic pill mills. no evaluation, in there for 5 minutes and leave with a handful of cIII and cII scripts. its a shame when a legit chronic pain patient has to deal with docs that want to give them ultram or motrin, then act like they just saved there quality of life? come on rx something appropriate for the individual pain. i remember when oxycontin first came out and was being pushed hard by purdue reps saying how great and not an addicting drug at all hahahahaha ya right we all found that out anyway i expected just vicodin es, when he asked me u ever here of oxycontin? my jaw dropped and ended up leaving with scripts for oxy, but those days are gone. purdue really pulled the wool over tons of drs eyes in the early days of production. kinda ruined it for all of the legitimate cp patients these days. shame
October 17, 2009 - 12:20pm
#22
"Discontinuation syndrome"
"Discontinuation syndrome" asmmw?!? Well, isn't that making a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Thats a new one to me. I would love to speak to one of our drug reps about that, but my Dr.Boss hardly prescribes narcotics (he's a DO and recommends more alternative treatments) and we never keep samples of pain meds in the office (I wish!).
So, we don't usually see reps in the office that carry pain meds.
I guess I can understand the telemarketers in FL, asmmw. To me, THAT problem would be more due to all of the elderly in FL. They seem to be more prone to that sort of fraud. I don't know if I want to say they are gullible but from what I've read about it, they do seem to be a more targeted group.
But I don't know about the elderly being part of the reason of the large number of pill mill pain clinics in FL. I'm going to make sort of a blanket statement here, but by and large, the elderly are not a population that would frequent a pill mill. Generally speaking, the elderly have health insurance, which of course, the pill mills don't accept. And also in general, the elderly, while they can be as prone to addiction as the "rest of us", are not usually prescribed narcotics. Certainly not stuff like Roxies and OC. Its too dangerous for them. And also, like you said, ocrage, they do take alot more meds than younger people, but that could also be a danger as far as drug interactions.
It is certainly amazing how those drug companies pull the wool over people's eyes, as you said, ocrage. I've never had OC prescribed to me, but I remember when the Cox2 inhibitor NSAID's came out. The best thing since sliced bread, they said. And to me, they kinda were. I can't take many NSAIDs. Either they don't work (most of them!) or they give me lower intestinal troubles. So, I tried the Bextra and Vioxx samples that we had at work. And they did help me. Especially the Vioxx. I was taking 50 mg twice a day (found out later that you were only supposed to take the 50 mg for a week or so, then drop down to the 25 mg). Well, I took it for years. Then, one day, while talking to a patient, she told me that she liked the Vioxx but had to go off of it because it caused elevated blood pressure. So, for the heck of it, I checked mine. 190/110! 
And my BP is usually in the 110/70 range. So, I stopped the Vioxx and my BP went right back to normal. Shortly thereafter they took it off the market.
October 18, 2009 - 5:07pm
#23
Pain Management
Pain Management is not only medications. It includes trigger points, epidurals, etc.. Just because they say pain management doesnt automatically mean medications. that is clear. BEAVISMOM you are in a physicians office as an employee???!!!??? So your doctor feels his collegues are incorrectly dispensing. Do you ever tell patients that requring medicine is more a "hastle" then a help?? You seem like you can do a better job than most of the doctors out there!! HAHAH HAHH!!! I never thought you would have been an employee. Especially since caring for patients is worth s$mething to your office too right??
I MEAN ALL OF THIS BTW!! SORRY YOU MS. UNDERSTOOD ME. 
CHEERS!!!!
October 18, 2009 - 7:20pm
#24
I definitely don't understand
I definitely don't understand the point of your post, flyer?!? What is up with you? Pain Management is not only medications. Of course I know that pain management is more than meds! (um...duh?) It includes trigger points, epidurals, etc.. Just because they say pain management doesnt automatically mean medications. that is clear. I am aware of this. We were discussing the pill mills that say they are a pain management facility. I am aware that most pain management centers are legitimate and as such certainly do more than prescribe narcotics. Not only do we frequently refer our patients to pain management clinics, I will be making an appointment for pain management soon myself. BEAVISMOM you are in a physicians office as an employee???!!!??? Why do you ask? Yes, I am a neurologic assistant for the past 20 years as an employee in a doctor's office. So your doctor feels his collegues are incorrectly dispensing. No, my doctor/boss does NOT feel his colleagues are incorrectly dispensing. Where did you get that from? He just happens to be a DO and therefore, like most DO's, he prefers alternative methods first, but he does prescribe narcotics and doesn't feel that there is anything wrong in doing so. Do you ever tell patients that requring medicine is more a "hastle" then a help?? No, I never tell patients that requiring medicine is a hassle? Why the ???$* would I say that? Not only do I genuinely care for my patients, I am a chronic pain patient myself, so I most certanly understand the benefits and importance of medications. Not only narcotics but others as well. You seem like you can do a better job than most of the doctors out there!! HAHAH HAHH!!! I never thought you would have been an employee. Especially since caring for patients is worth s$mething to your office too right?? I don't understand this quote from you. It doesn't make any sense except there is obviously sarcasm in this remark, but for the life of me I don't know what it means. So, yes, I guess I am misunderstanding something. Other than you are trying to get a rise out of me and guess what? You did. So, can you (or someone? Please? Help?) explain what is meant by this derisive, cynical and hostile post of yours?
CHEERS!
October 18, 2009 - 7:45pm
#25
Beavismom
Beavismom, I didn't understand post #23 either but I read the other thread and hope you find a doctor who can help you better. Further down the road, you may have to get that surgery and I don't blame you for not getting it right now. Let us know how it goes at the pain clinic.
p.s. I have never seen a senior citizen at a pain clinic either :) Theresa
October 18, 2009 - 7:49pm
#26
jay
Eh I thought that maybe you would have heard all that before being a person in a doctor's office. Thats all... Its diff if you hear someone say it versus typing it I suppose. NO offence at all here sorry.
October 18, 2009 - 7:49pm
#27
Thanks, Theresa.
Thanks, Theresa.
October 19, 2009 - 8:48am
#28
ok, flyer. Thanks.
ok, flyer. Thanks.
October 19, 2009 - 9:54am
#29
To the O.P.
...I think this is a great deal. If your friend is truly in pain, they will be able to circuvent some of the beaurocratic red tape of the HMO's, and some other agencies I won't mention.
No one who is in pain should be denied adequate pain control. No one. Even though the AAPM uses this as their "motto," we all know that not every pain managment doctor is able to provide proper pharmacologic care, for fear of making a "mistake..."
Hope your friend is doing well.
October 19, 2009 - 2:46pm
#30
there are senior citizens at
there are senior citizens at my pain clinic.
October 19, 2009 - 3:03pm
#31
most patients
at my drs are seniors.
October 19, 2009 - 5:10pm
#32
I see
...a few spring chickens "nodding out" at my doctor's office. This concerns and angers me at the same time.
October 19, 2009 - 5:38pm
#33
also
have senior citizens at my dr office also. this must mean that alot of the elderly are at the drs and not just for blood pressure, and botox.
October 19, 2009 - 7:21pm
#34
ocrage:
You forgot the Viagria an the Cialis Woodstock
October 20, 2009 - 7:07am
#35
I have no doubt that there
I have no doubt that there are senior citizens at legitimate pain clinics. I know my mother is supposed to go, but won't. But I doubt that there are very many that go to the pill mill, drug dealer-type clinics.
October 20, 2009 - 9:54am
#36
yes i agree.
yes i agree.
Morpheus, sadly I see this all too often. IMO, these quacks are out to get people addicted, which keeps them coming back for more, lining the doctors pockets in the process. I've heard of many "pain management" clinics in my area just like what you describe. Show up with any old MRI that might or might not show injury, pay your $200 at the door (and no, they don't accept insurance). They will give you #240 Roxies, #150 Percocets, #150 Xanax (for one month!) and prefer that you fill your prescription there at the PM clinic as well (in cash, by the way). I personally know people that make a day out of it. In south FL apparently there are these pill shops all over the place. This person will go from one clinic to another, sometimes "sponsoring" other people as well. Then, (he is an addict of course), he keeps enough to feed his own addiction, and sell the rest to recoup his fees, gas money, etc. I've heard that there are people that come from out of state to collect their drugs and bring a van load of people with them. And do it all again the following month. It upsets me that these people actually call themselves doctors. Its makes me sad and sickens me. whatever happened to "first do no harm"?!
I did report the person that I know to our anonymous crime tip line. He was eventually arrested once, with the drugs in his pocket on his way back from his monthly trip. But not because of my tip, he had a tail light out or something. But he bonded out and nothing has happened. I checked on the DEA website to see if there was a link to report these clinics and I couldn't find anything. But even so, for every one that is put out of business, another two take its place (or they just move down the street). Somehow, there must be enough loopholes to keep these "doctors" from doing anything "illegal"!
Its sad. Lets create a nation of addicts for the almighty dollar, while those of us in legitimate pain suffer the consequences.