I know that codiene are in the same class of controlled substance as vicodin w/tylenol. but i personally think these are worthless. I have had them prescribed to me b4 and all they made me do - was constantly scratch. NO relief from pain whatsoever. And the thing with Darvocet/Darvon, altho they didnt make scratch, they offered ZERO pain relief.
Anyone else have thier opinion on these?
I hear ya. I remember being prescribed codeine years ago for chronic back pain. It always gave me an upset stomach and I didn't find it to be effective either. I remember the itching you mention also as one of the really annoying side effects from it. I think hydrocodone is such a far superior medication compared to codeine. Its like the difference between nite & day. I can take my prescribed hydrocodone on an empty stomach and be just fine, whereas with codeine I would feel worse than before I took it. IMHO Hydrocodone is a way superior medication for pain control. I wish they had invented it sooner and I didn't have to suffer with the harshness of codeine way back when, that stuff was pretty nasty.The only thing I can think of that codeine was good for was diahrea, figures right? lol Never got prescribed Darvon, but Darvocet was another pain med that I was prescribed. Disappointing, not very effective, but I would choose that over codeine any day.
Yes - I agree, same here. Vicodin is KING over them.
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I agree with the numerous other threads about this very subject. Darvocet has been shown slightly better than aspirin for pain control, yada yada. It's all been talked about before. Anyone have some pills to ID?
gtrplayer
i would agree now that darvocet are pretty worthless, but i broke my back severely when i was 17 i had no kind of health insurance and the hospital, understandibly, didn't want to donate a bed to me for any longer than they had to so i was sent home alot earlier than i should have been and they tried to stabilize me on oral meds and the only thing that i could take and get any kind of pain relief from was darvocet lol so i guess i'm that 1 person out of a million that it worked well for, unfortunately after a long period on them my tolerance went up and i could no longer use them effectively.. hydro and oxy never helped with pain for me, would still be in terrible pain so i made it on methadone which gives decent pain relief.
I agree with everyone else about their opinions on the pain meds but as far as the itching and scrathing, thats gonna come with every opiate from davon, and codiene all the way to oxycontin.
ok, gtrplayer, I have one that I can not ID, it has an E 222 on one side and 3 on the other. Also - a round pill that says RUGBY, but the rest is worn off, i know this would be pretty hard to ID with nothing else but RUGBY on it.
Think it is a mitra-----not 4 sure tho. I would run it thru the NDC, but dont know all of the NDC. Just know the #####-0222-#####.
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One database does show E222 as 45mg Mirtazapine, but I do not have a picture to confirm that with. I only checked two sources though.
gtrplayer
That would be it, thanks, the one with the E.
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Eon Labs' Labeler code in CDER is 00185
The product code for Mirtazapine is 0222
The application number is listed as: other
Here is a picture from Eon Labs:
gtrplayer
I used to get Tylenol 3s prescribed, 4s one time, many many years ago, when hydors were not so popular yet. They seemed to do the trick I guess but they were never so good.
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Darvon/Darvocet are completely useless in my book. I would pick codeine over darvon compounds however I would pick hydro over anything else. I have tried ultram, darvocet, hydrocodone, oxycodone er and ir , dilaudid, ms contin, methadone and demerol. When taken for bad pain I usually prefer hydro or oxy codones.
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god (or some1) 4 the invention of HYDROCODONE.
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They make the stronger pain meds w/o tylenol, why not the hydrocodone? 4 real, who needs the APAP???? Something they throw in there to mess out livers up!?!?
And I know that would take HYDRO to class II, but that is OK 4 me. Or make a HDCD pill that only has like 100mg tylenol or less. That would keep it at a class III and would limit our liver damage. Pretty sad when you HAVE to take a PAIN PILL to rid the PAIN, but is ultimately going to put you in MORE pain or %?#$$ up your liver!
Why is OxyCODONE so priviledged?
Would it be better to take the VicoProfen? since it is only 200 mg of ibu (which is worse? tylenol or ibu?)
Also, does any1 know what the Qualitest 7.5/325 hydrocodones look like? Need a pic. I already know
| V3605 V 3605 | 7.5/325 | Pale Orange | Oblong | V one side, 3605 other side |
I need a pic.
Thanks
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I checked DrugDigest.org, but could not find a 7.5/325 made by Qualitest.
Here is name brand Norco 7.5/325 from GSM
gtrplayer
Awesome, THANKS!
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No problem. Sorry I could not find the Qualitest version.
gtrplayer
codeine works fine for me, but having a high tolerance from fentynal and aslo oxycodone from the past, Codeine will not do a than codeine. When codeine does have a 10% morphine conversion and 1% hydromorphone is fine for me. the withdraws from codone and mscontin was to much for me.
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I believe that Codeine is a fine pain medication for moderate to severe pain in opiate nieve people. Theroretically 60mg codeine is equivalent to 9mg hydrocodone. I personally do not get the same pain relief from a Tylenol #4(60mg codeine/300mg apap) as I do from a Vicodin HP(10mg hydrocodone/660mg Apap). But before I was on Vicodin for all these years, I did however like codeine and before I used Codeine for so long, I even like Darvocet and Ultram. I did recently attempt to switch back to Tylenol #4 and within hours of the first dose I had to go back to the hydrocodone combo due to the feeling of what may have been the onset of withdrawals.( Runny nose, chills, yawning, stomach upset)
find it anywhere either. i looked all the common places (wont say). still couldnt locate a pic of the qualitest 7.5/325 hydrocodone. I SHOULD have a pic soon.
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The reason I cant get anything out of codeine. I have a very high tolerance to opiates. Fentanyl, dilaudid, oxycodone are just some of the past ones. But it is strange, I can still get pain relief from hydrocodone, even when taken as directed. But my bottle leaves me plenty of room, cause it says 1 or 2 tables every 4-6 hours as needed 4 pain.
this being the 10/500 lortabs.
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I definately agree that Codeine and Darvocet are useless. It's like taking a big aspirin. Hydrocodone or better is the way to go.
my insurance says that it will no longer pay for somas, stating that somas "may be habit forming" as the only reason.
altho, this is the same ins. that pays for my narcotics, and the rest of my "habit-forming" meds.. like my Xanax, and others.
I do not understand why, but isnt that big of a deal, really. just thought that was kinda strange to pick out SOMA. But I am glad they are continuing to pay for all the others.
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Will your insurance pay for any type of drug that may be considered habit-forming?
Yeah, will pay for:ALL NARCOTICS besides darvon,ms-contin/er (h/form)ALL BENZODIAZAPINES (h/forming) ALL MUSCLE RELAXERS, besides SOMA (h/forming) and 98% of everything else that might be h/form.
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I receive DoD treatment and T-4 works good for now.Darvocet has been completely removed from DoD,VA,and Federal employees.It was causing methadone related and tylenol related overdoses.It was also studied where group given 2000 mg of tylenol couldn't distinguish from 3 darvocets.
since gov't doesn't worry about The DEA, the preferred process for moderate-heavy chronic pain,non-terminal,and where trying to solve thru surgery would cause more issues.Is T-3,t-4,maxium t-4,then ms cotin.What most people dont realize is codine is methylmorphine,a direct analog to morphine sulphate.
somewhat related to this topic is the maker Qualitest Pharmaceuticals.I have had several pharmacist call this company for me.Check this out,They don't make the generics.They are a disbributer,who has undisclosed companies manufacture there meds.They have gov't approval not to reveal there suppliers.My VA just switched my clonazopam(purpac)which I had complained for 1 year about it wasn't effective.Qualitest Pharmaceuticals now has the contract and I just tried those.They were unlike any other clonazepam I had ever had.I am convinved these are made by roche and sold thru this shell company.This Klonopin is stout, definately a contender to alprazolam.What im getting at here is Qualitest is the best deal in town if you have to pay out of pocket.I hope I get access to the lortabs/norco compounds so I don't have to go in person every month for ms contin.I won't allow a doctor to exceed 2000mg of tylenol per day.
I'm kinda new at pain treatment but the t3/t4 regained my mobilty and I have lost 40 pounds in 6 months since,so atm I'm pretty happy with codein,it's just will only work at best for 2years based on the rate its being increased every 6 months.
sorry for the rambling, just real happy atm,getting GAD,and mobilty pain treatment at the same time seems like a dream come true.
Another very satisfied QualiTest medication consumer.
There has to be something in their Quality that obviously makes them superior in the generic market. Even though time and time again, the pharmacies and pharmacist will tell you there is no difference. Well all of these people have tried other generics, and when it comes to QualiTest, they seem to always come out on top. I dont care what the RPh's say, I am convinced THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
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So you are trying to say at VA hospitals they got straight from Tylenol # 4 to MS Contin? I guess this may be your doctors only options, but I have a friend that gets both Lortab and Oxycontin from a VA hospital. You also say that Darvocet has been removed from DoD,VA and all Federal Employees. Who do you consider when you say "all federal employees"? is TSA and USPS employees considered "all federal employees"? They are still "allowed" to get them, seeing that they buy into private health insurance.
I guees I can agree with one thing you said "Qualitest doesnt make there generics". On the other hand it is common knowledge that Vintage Pharmacueticals makes a ton of meds for them. So your statements about them having Government approval to not disclose who makes them, I dont buy into.
I believe your post could have had some good information and merit if you wouldve weeded out the speculation and rumors yourself and kept your eye on the prize.
well when I had a pharmacy ask qualitest who made their clonazepam were made,they refused to answer.I'll further find out who is involved with vintage.
when I say has been removed from the VA,DoD,and federal employee RX plan.That is done because the gov't uses civilians as guinea pigs and protects its own.Obviously if you go to a private doctor you can get and pay for whatever.
The VA does not carry lortab.you can pull up their national formulary at their web site.Atm all they have is vicodin,no fancy compounds.So ask your friend to show you the VA labled bottle before you believe them.
Even to get oxycontin from the VA you have to start at ms contin,then most likely Percocet.Being that hydro's and oxy's are a big abuse and diversion issue,not to mention very dangerous, they aren't recommended for openers.After all,my goal is to maintain my mobilty not get high on dope and wind up in the methadone clinic,so I just do as they say.
Thanks for the critique,kind of reminds me why I haven't posted on a forum in a month.
codeine also makes me itch, however synthetic codeine doesn't which is in percocet or vicodin anyway darvon and darvocet must be made for children because they never not even once relieved my pain.
darvocet should be a pediatriac pain killer, no doubt!
They gave my 5 year old 5/500 hydrocodone/tylenol...
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all the meds you mentioned are all made synthetically.Vicodin is half codein half thebane,where codein is methylmorphine and a t3 and t4 contain more morphine than vicodin.Oxy's are all thebaine.What makes oxy's and hydro's more abusable is the they create their own metabolites which causes a snowball effect and lethal overdoses.codein(metyhlated morphine) blocks its single matabolite.although morphine has more enzimes to metabolize with, it is still fairly slow orally for its onset and therefore is in small demand for recreational use according to the DEA watch list.
You know what, nevermind. Its not worth it.
codeine is really useless, unless u have never taken narctoic pain killas.
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apap is tylenol, and you can take a certain amount per day and be fine. i take percocet 10/ 325 for breakthru for that specific reason...meaning the low dose of acetophetamine (tylenol) spell check lol.






The fact is just that they are very mild painkillers. So if you have any kind of opiate tolerance the effects are negligable. However, to someone that is opiate niave, tylenol 3 may work well. Darvocet I have always found to be somewhat worthless, but for some it is just the right med. Everyone is different.
Check with a licensed MD before you take any suggestions!