I need help with my addiction.

http://www.suboxone.com/

Usually it can be arranged so that it is confidential and will never blemish your record. It has worked for millions of addicts, so give it serious thought. At least find a doctor near you and arrange a consultation. This stuff really works, and unlike methadone treatment, you don't have to drive to a clinic every morning to get your script. Message me back with any other questions if you want, I have a pretty strong background and grasp of this material.

~Kiera

YOu need to stop!!! i am in the same boat, in my mid 20's and married my husband however has been very supportive in the matter. i have been on subtex for two days and i feel great i was only taking 6 10 mg hydros a day but still. just know that you can do this i tohught i couldn't either but i can. I actually have the hydros in my home and have no desire at all to take them!! which has never happened before. please talk to your doc about this med. and talk to you spouse about it too, make sure they are "on board" becaus eif you don'thave a good support system then you will have a greater chance of failure. feel free to pm me if you need anyting hope i helped

I feel your pain, buddy.  I want you and your family to know that you're not alone.  My husband and I were "closet junkies" for years.  Your lucky you have decided to get help now while your still young.  We kept up the front and hustled for pain pills until our forties.   We wanted to stop much sooner but just couldn't.  We knew our lives would be so much better if we could just get off all those stupid pills.  We hated ourselves for it. Methodone clinics were just not an option for us.  Then we found a wonderful pain doctor and told him we wanted to be normal again.   SUBOXONE was our miracle.   It worked for us.  You, sir, have a disease in itself and it's called ADDICTION. It's usually a side-effect some people are prone to when they have another ailment called chronic pain syndrome.  Its not your fault.   You aren't changing one addiction for another.   You are simply taking a med for your disease.  I wish this drug was legal in the U.S. for addiction when I was in my 20's. Well, whatever you decide to do, our prayers are with you and all the lost people fighting the disease of ADDICTION.

try suboxone, if all your using is hydrocodone then taking methadone would stabilize your activities by letting you resume a mostly normal life where you are not chasing drugs anymore, but methadone is quite a bit stronger than hydro so it becomes an addiction in itself and compared to hydro coming off of methadne is probably like ten times worse, literally.

try the suboxone thing i've never takin it(i take 113mg of methadone daily) but i rum a methadone group and there are some peeps who are on methadone for a hydro addiction and wish they had never started. methadone is a great drug, where appropriate, but was originally used in clinics for herion/morphine addicts and now clinics will basically give it to anyone who says they have a serious addiction problem. suboxone like hydro is a CIII and can be written from the right kind of doctors office, not requiring the everyday visit to the methadone clinic. for a hydro addiction it would be much better methadone. and after being on methadone for a couple weeks you no longer get high it is just an everyday trip to keep the sickness away. if all your on is hydro you don't want to go through all of this.

i'm not trying to sound like an a-hole. but treating hyro with methadone is like having all your teeth pulled for a cavity, just a little overkill.  

I am on subutex and love it, i don't crave hydro and it hlep iwth my pain i feel like a normal person is sosictey now and not the person in teh cornor always thinkign about where and when i owuld take my next pill, it's only been about a week but so far so good. good luck you should speak with your doc about suboxone. it helped iwth teh addiction and the pain for me

I think you are doing wonderful. I have read some of the rude like comments on your post and I want you to know that you shouldn't listen to all of that. Other people do not know you or what your pain is like and so they judge you for that because they don't understand what it is like for you to go through the pain that is real and the pain that is the addiction. To me, and in my opinion only, it sounds to me like your doing alot better than some people I have read about. Be glad your not taking 40 10mgs a day. That is a real addiction. What you have sounds to me like a high tolerance because you have been on these for so long. I would not recommend any kind of treatment like methadone or the other. For now I think you seem to be trying and it seems to be working for you. Don't let other people drag you down because you need a pain pill 3 times a day . That is not something bad if you do have real pain. I wish you the best and hope you do get down to what you want to take a day without having to go to a treatment. One thing I have heard of though is oxycodone helping a lot better than hydrocodone. So if you have not tried it or never been addicted to it , just ask your doctor if it could work for you. If you take it as directed by your doctor then there should be no problem.

I myself really don't know a whole lot about the suboxone, so i am answering from what I have read from others... the suboxone therapy needs to last usually a few months or more, depending on how great the addiction was. what is so great about it is that it is not a drug that you get high from, so you don't keep taking more and more for a high, or end up looking illegally for them. suboxone is not a pill like all the other pain meds, not in the least. it has to be dissolved under the tongue to get the best effect, and chewing it or swallowing it hinders the process, there is an ingredient in it that prevents people from trying to shoot it up as well. 

now see, when I got on the site everyone keeps talking about, I read that suboxone is only for opiate dependance, and not for those who are experiencing real pain that needs managed. basically, I understand that  suboxone is not for pain management at all, but instead should be used only for opiate dependance recovery-for those wanting to come off opiates. contrary to this though, there have been several people on here saying it helps with their pain- so I dont really know yet if it is for people still experiencing continuing pain or not.

I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.

Two comments real quick.  Suboxone is not particularly easy to get b/c a doctor has to be trained as an addiction treatment physician.  So you use the suboxone website to find a doctor who is certified that lives near you, and you also have to see if he or she can take anymore patients on.  Second, suboxone is very easy to come off of.  You just lower the dosage down slowly and there is hardly any withdrawal at all.  The amount of time you are on the drug depends on the person.  I have group therapy with about 16 kids around my age as part of my treatment with suboxone.  At least three of them have been clean for more than 2-3 years and came off of suboxone after only 6 months to one 1 year of treatment with it.  So yes, to answer your question, I know former heroin addicts and pill-poppers who no longer abuse drugs, nor take suboxone anymore to control the problem.  They remained clean after coming off of suboxone and no longer have the desire to go back to using.

i'm not sure if you meant suicide but if you did please rethink and regroup. i have tol dme story a few times so if this is repetitive please forgive me. I was prescribed hydros fro back pain i started taking too many soooo 1 1/2 later i go to teh doc and ask for sub i'v been taking it about 2 weeks and i feel great feel lik me again normal...still in a little pain but nothing that 800 mg of motrinwon't fix. so please look for otehr options, talk to your spouse and your doc and figure out a way to get better whether it be weaning or teh sub. I definitly know hwat you are talking about waking up in the am and not having a pill. tom will be my first day w/o anything (i think) and i will see how it goes. i want to get preg again and that was my motivation to get of te hpills. good luck!!!you can do it!

From personal experience talk to a mental health professional. It sounds like you must have at one time for the PTSD. Feelings of hopelessness mixed with chronic physical pain can be a bomb ready to explode at any time. Please keep talking. The worst thing that you can do is ignore the problem and stay silent.

See about getting a straight NARCAN prescribtion, shouldn't be hard.  Thats what is in suboxone and is a opiate antagonist, it will block your ability to get a high so if you take em daily you'll just realize you're wasting your time.  If you want real detail on Subuxone send me a private message cause I can tell you just about whatever you want to know or understand.

KNY 

I am 27 and started out on pain pills like vicodin and quickly went to three oxycontins a day. I have really bad pain when i dont have them, that i will lay in bed for at least 48 hours or longer. i havnt functioned like a normal human being in six months but have had success inbetween with quitting. im not a doctor but i wouldnt recommend methadon because ive heard people find it harder to get off that then the heroin itself. try suboxone...8mg. it gives me my life back and a real chance at quitting. i will take whole ones for 10 days then half for ten and so on for 3 weeks then none so you dont become dependent on them. Keep up on yuor b vitamins and i would suggest going to the health food store and getting a two week body flush to replenish you body and help along the liver healing process..god bless

JB24.

    My problem started when I was rear ended in my truck.  I herniated several discs and I'm here to tell you it hurt.  I was on percocet and lorcet for a couple of years until I got away from the doctors and the meds.  I got a mountain bike and things seemed to turn around.  For three years things were great until in May of 1997 I went deep sea fishing and had my back pounded into a wooden seat.  Needless to say I re-injured myself.  It's been ten years now with lower back pain, left hip, leg,knee;and foot as well as the left foot.  I walk with a cane and am again on meds.  I see no light at the end of the tunnel.  So JJJB24, you are not alone.

Birdsong 

Hi, I am 23 and I have a rare kidney condition, (so they say) and I have massive pain in my left side all the time. It feels like someone is stabbing me all the time. Now it is in my lower back from always scrunching down holding my side.  Anyways, I have been taking pain pills for almost 2 years now. I wouldn't say I abuse them, but I do sometimes run out like 2 days earlier than I am supposed to. That is only when I am in really bad pain I will take one or two more a day. I want to get off of the meds, but I am terrified to be in pain again. I was in the hospital almost every other weekend for almost a year for this. I have been to the University of Chicago and I.U.P.U.I. in Indy. I also have seen the best docs in Northwest Indiana. I have had two surgeries on my kidney and nothing has worked. I had a tube that went from my kidney to my bladder and stuck out of my stomach to drain the fluids and it hooked up to a hose and a bag that drained my urine. I had that for about 6 months. That still didnt work. Anyways, when it gets time where I am almost out of pills, I literally freak out. I know I cannot get them earlier than a month at a time, and if for whatever reason I do run out, I am sicker that what I was before this started. My docs do not want me to get off of the meds because they arent sure whats wrong and they know I will just be in the hospital all over again. Its like they have no clue whats wrong so they just shovel pain pills in me, but now Im not sure if I am hooked, but I do know I have real bad anxiety if I know I am going to run out and I have to wait for my script. It ruins my whole day. Im not sure what to do. Plus, my liver I know will be shot soon. I mean, how long will it take before it has an effect?  Ive been on vicodin e.s. and xodol for 2 yrs. 

first of all suboxone is only a partial opiate agonist as opposed to a full opiate agonist like hydo, oxycodone or heroin. it hits the opiate receptors and fulfills the need for and other opiates. it has naloxone in it which blocks other full agonists from doing what they do. and methadone or methadose is terrrible. if used long enough, for opiod dependence or pain relief, it gets into your bone marrow, making it terribly hard to ween or get off of period. methadone is more addictive than herion by far. suboboxone is amazingly much easier to come off of. www.suboxone.com is a great site for information or if you want to hear it in person call 1-800-suboxone for any further questions. in my opinion suboxone is a wonder drug for opiod dependence, certainly from personal experience. im not sure if its very good for pain relief but it helps for opiod dependence.  taking more opiates to withdrawal from opiates never works. if one has enough to pay for there habit everyday, then they most likely can afford a suboxone doc. for more info please get a hold of me thru this wonderful website.

certainly not a professional, only personal experience

suboxone doesnt have nearly the same detox time as methadone or perc or vics. personally i could quit when ever i felt like it, very easily in fact. however it is very expensive, but i believe this is because it is a long term treatment. one is very much less likely to relapse after a period of suboxone

certainly not a professional, only personal experience

The next time you get your script refilled, try and take some of the pills to work and leave them there. If you have a lock box of any sort, put some in there. Even leave some at a friend or family members home. It may seem silly but I too get approximately 120 Perc's each month (The 10/325's). One month I went thru all 120 in less then 15 days...it was stupid and thats what can happen due to the pain going away and you wanting it to "stay" the heck away. Of course the euphoric sensation is nothing to sneer at either. So I started moving pills out of my immediate reach. Some days I'd rather sleep off the pain or get a massage then drive all the way into work to get pills. Just a suggestion. Good luck.

I am 100% on board with this.  The willpower to either take or refuse to take the pills when they are right there in front of you, or in your purse is "the" power.  It's part of facing the addiction.  To me a success story is having a dose of pills and deciding not to take that dose.  Hiding them is not the answer.  Facing the addiction for what it is would be positive.  Everyone handles it differently and I don't judge anyone for the way they choose to manage their addiction.  I just wanted to put my 2 cents in to agree with FrKoNaLeaSh1010................on this specific matter of willpower, agreeing that hiding the pills is not the answer.

thelifeline

I think I told this in another thread, but it seems pretty pertinent right now. I remember in a class I had a couple years ago we had a lesson on the difference between willpower and self-control. 

Willpower is having your vice right in front of you and saying I will not touch it. Even if it is right in front of me, I will have the power (willpower) to leave it alone, and not want it.

Self Control is knowing that your vice is tempting, so you decide to keep it out of your presence to keep from taking it. Whether this is keeping it locked away, with friends/family, not in the house, or not buying it at all, its what you must do. You know how you are so you say I will control myself (Self Control) and not allow it in my presence, thus avoiding a potentially bad situation. 

We all go through different battles everyday. Whether it is pills for one person, or some other drug, or if it is food, bad habits, or whatever else. Some people are stronger than others, thus some can quit or give it up alot easier than others. Some are ready to just say no more, while others have to take steps. Gradual steps of self control, until one day they can reach that level that others may have easily found; willpower. It may only take one decision, one day, or it may take one week, one month. 

I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.

I work at a night club where just about everyone is hooked, I dont believe there is a safe place at work, which also, given everyone is a junkie or alcoholic, makes it hard to keep on track because it's always in my face. So, I guess my plan is, now that Ive went out and bought a bunch of tab 7.5's, is to just wean myself using these 7.5 tabs..over the next week or so, I have 37 tabs, I figure if I can go from 12 perc 7.5's to 2-3 tab 7.5's over the next week or so, I should be able to sustain myself until I get my script refilled and continue the weaning process, I am concerned though about how much stronger the percocets are compared to the lortabs, anyone have a suggestion about what ratio of percocet would be equal to the same dose of Lortab??? The bottom line is guys, I am a national dean's list senior with a 3.75 gpa in medical management finance (just where I need to be, right?) and I have a bright future, even though Im 37 y/o and over the hill to some, I seriously dont want to blow it because of these very sneaky little pills.. See, I dont have a support system at home, she can not relate in any way, shape or form. Try explaining to your significant other where all your stuff went in 10 days and explain why you can't sleep, why you're sweating like a hog, why you're contorting like a fish out of water and so depressed you're crying over "Meet Joe Black" (lol) and ESPN inspirational stories...Not to mention having to deal with Mortgages , bills, life and , is there any more I can add to this plate, oh yeh, SCHOOL STARTING next week..Im sure I will get through this, Im a pretty strong person, but I tell you what, these things broke me down like a shotgun...Thanx for your advice guys and remember, this thread is for JB24, not mtlgtrst1....

As difficult as it may be, if you plan to stay married (if you are), or stay with your significant other, you are going ot have to stop hiding things from her.

My wife did not really understand at first, even thought that my own legal prescription was not really needed that I was a whiner. She had no idea at first, of how much pain that I was really in, from multiple sources. She got that mindset from her sister who is against pain pills of any kind. Well guess what her sister drinks a 12 pack a day "minimum". I don't judge that.

Back to the main point, I tell my wife the truth and I would expect no less from her. You keep the truth from your significant other, you won't have one for long. She knew about my little self induced withdrawal from my presecription during the past two weeks, and she knows that I began taking my prescription again. When she is in pain (like the was after a total hysterectomy) she had her own prescription. She also knows that I am "trying" my best to be responsible with my use of the Norco. All that aside, my advice to you is to either be honest now with your significant other, or find another significant other that you can be honest with. I have been married for 24 years and together with this woman for 25 years, so I am speaking from experience that you "must" be honest with your significant other.

thelifeline

I have seen and experienced opiate addiction personally. I know it is extremely difficult to cope with. I wish the best of luck to you and your family.