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i take methadone myself and

i take methadone myself and i think it has really helped me. i have been on it for 4years.

even though i think methadone is a good drug, when used in the proper situations/ways. i don't think id want a clinic in my neighororhood. i know it sounds kind of stupid, but there is sometimes issues that come with having a clinic.

from what i know, in ny. most clinics are in the city, or a hospitals.

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would you want a methadone clinic in your neighborhood?? me love you all long time KissKiss

 

Sure!  As a  matter of fact, I do have one in my "hood". I have no problems at all with it. It is good to see people getting help!

 

I  also am a Methadone  supporter!  I  know it works really well and helps people alot!

 

GO METHADONE!!!! Yell

 

 

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why not get a done clinic going?

i wouldn't mind a methadone clinic in my "hood". why not?its better than a crackhouse,another bar,the sex offender 1/2 way house and the other forms of local color tucked away in my beautiful borough.

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I support meth clinics

I am a doctor and worked at a meth clinic for 5 years.  I've seen many people get their lives together.  I always try to point out to people - having a clinic in your neighborhood is not a bad thing - people will be getting treatment instead of being in withdrawal and having to resort to robbery to get their drugs!  People are so narrow-minded - don't they realize the more clinics and the more people being treated for their addiction, the lower the crime rates will be!!!!!

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You people are CRAZY.....

If you are addicted to opiaties (oxycotin, harion, ext.) There is NO way in ???$* that you can get clean without a methadone clinic. The only way without a methadone clinic is to go to a 90 day re-hab and then move far away from where you were doing drugs BUT MOST drug addicts don't have much money or the reasources to do so, therefore without a methadone clinic my boyfriend and I would still be using or dead bc we both tried going to rehab and we both went for two weeks to get through the withdraws n everything but the thing is that we came home to the same environment and same friends who still were doing it....so pretty much what I'm saying is that it's better to never get addicted to anything BUT "PEOPLE" like the ones that commeted up there about not wanting them in there neighborhooods. Half the people that go to the clinic I went to were white/middle class/ good looking foke who you would never think would be on drugs PLUS methadone clinics don't just give it to you legally and let you run wild...they drug test you every month for (you can  get kicked out for not getting clean), you get conceling (which most of us need bc we've broken soo many relationships while using drugs) and they don't allow you to speak to any1 else in the clinic so you can't get new hook ups or anything like that plus the control you too much to ^$@& up. It sucks but it's better then staying addicted to drugs or going to re-hab and wasting your money just to do the same &??$ again. PEOPLE OPEN your mind to something different and give it a chance and DON'T judge the clinic till you been to one, know some1 who goes to one or addicted to drugs!

 

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Keep them in "the hood"

Methadone clinics- They're of great benefit to society, but who wants a crowd of former/ sometimes current addicts swarming around their decent neighborhood in the early hours of the morning.

Before anyone jumps on me, I was on 180mg day for several years of maint. therapy, so don't take offense when I use the word "addict." Addicts, (i.e. heroin addicts,) comprise the majority of the clientele at clinics, not prescription drug users/ abusers.

P.S. I once witnessed a patient who'd been refused his dose walk directly into the middle of the street in front of the clinic and defecate. This type of behavior is COMMON at clinics, in the US at least. Would you want your children witnessing this on their way to school?

To NutHuffer- You can go cold turkey off any opiate, at any dose. It might not be for the faint at heart, but I went cold turkey from 190 methadone/ day with no medical assistance while living in a garage during summer in a town not too far from Death Valley.

 

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Methadonia

If this topic interests you, you should watch the movie "Methadonia". You can get it on netflix. It highlights 8 people living in new york and going to a methadone clinic....very enlightening...And I agree, If you are keeping people on methadone, suboxone, for months and years, it IS no worse than the regular street dealer, that's just my opinion tho...I would NOT want one of these clinics anywhere near where I live, I have seen the ONE that is around here (well, 60 miles away), that's the closest, and people might as well defecate in the street...It's not a good clinic. I personally believe it should be shut down....It is a hole in the wall (literally) of a clinic, that looks like it's run by a bunch of addicts.....Ray

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I was on methadone for pain

I was on methadone for pain management at one point for a very short period of time. I can honestly say it was the absolute best pain relief I've ever experienced. I would suggest anyone who can tolerate it and isn't getting adequate pain relief on their current regime discuss it as an option with their doctor. Unfortunately, it caused problems with my blood sugars while I was on it (I am a brittle diabetic). My guess is that it slowed down my gut motility since I also have gastroparesis and things digested even slower than normal. I wish I could have stayed on it. I never felt so "normal" since I was a kid and could run around and play without any pain.

 

As for having a clinic in my neighborhood I don't think I'd be in support of that. I kind of am dealing with that situation currently. There is a building that the Army Reserves currently occupy right outside of my neighborhood. It is up for a few things to go in there to replace it. I wouldn't have supported a methadone clinic being one of them. I think the choices were homeless shelter, recycling center, drug and alcohol abuse center, and something else I can't remember. Everyone wanted the recycling center I believe and I'm pretty sure that's the one that's going in. Of course, that comes with it's own set of noise problems for the houses over on that side of the neighborhood. I'm far enough away fortunately. I think some of the considerations as to why they didn't choose the other 2 options was because there is a HUGE park across the street from my neighborhood and they worried about homeless individuals sleeping there. They basically built this park about 1 mile from another park because that one does have a lot of homeless people who live there. Rather than build a shelter to help them they just built another park....ridiculous.

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"significant difference

"significant difference between an drug addict that is on a methadone treatment plan and say a 60 year old lady that is using it for chronic pain"  There is a difference, but yes even the 60 year old lady will become dependant on the methadone and go through living ???$* if she tries to stop after lets say 5-10 years, ha, even 6 months. Think about that statement with logic. 

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the clinics

Great response, I must say this is one of the best things I have heard in this forum. We never planed on getting addicted to these meds and going through living ???$* on earth. Many people do not understand what we go through because they have unlimited access to their narcotics, with this unlimited supply there is no withdrawel because they are never out, they go to high priced doctors and get what they ask for. If you are paying some doctor a thousand dollars for one visit you are getting anything you ask for short of an overdose. The clinic for many is a door to a new life free from seaching for that next fix. I am not involved with a clinic but have been suffering from chronic pain for years, this pain requires meds no question about it, without my crhonic pain meds I would have "NO LIFE" laying around in severe pain all day and night. Depression, anger and possibly thought of suicide. I am blessed to have a doctor that understand the effects chronic pain can have on a persons life.

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DWI's

In NY it is against the law to drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs.  It does not matter legally if you have a prescription or if you are driving after taking an OTC medication.  Technically you can get arrested for DWI Drugs after taking a BP medicine or a Benadryl.  The way the law is written it does not make any distinction.   A lot of women get arrested for DWI drugs after the officer asks to see her license and as she nervously fumbles through her. purse the officer sees pill bottles.   They think the officer is asking an innocent question like "are you ok?" and then "what are you taking that for?" and next thing you know out come the handcuffs.   Ask any lawyer  never never ever make any admissions or statements that can incriminate you.  If anyone is in a conversation with a police officer and admits to driving after ingesting any kind of medication chances are they will be placed under arrest.  The officer almost has no choice, if he lets you drive away and someone gets hurt or killed he will be held accountable for that.  Every stop is recorded as is every radio transmission.  Please be very aware of these things.  Blood serum levels and stuff like that are evidence but so is a voluntary admission that I took a vicodon 3 hours ago but tellin the cop "so what I can drive just fine on them. " The law in NY says that you can not drive under the influence of drugs.  Telling a state trooper you can drive just fine while on your medication is as good as a signed confession.  Why do you think that if you get in a car accident while at work almost 100% of employers make you take a blood test?  Because its illegal to drive under the influence but I'll bet you almost 100% of us on this board have driven somewhere while we had pain meds in our system.  Please don't get jammed up unecessarily.  Don't have your pills in plain sight or in your glove box with your paperwork. I'm not trying to be a bummer  but hopefully I can save someone some grief by this simple heads-up.

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methadone can be a great drug if used properly but is widley abused.. If used correctly the half life and amount of time it works for pain releif is wonderful from my experience but with the  clincs they are good and bad with people abusing them. great for people who have a herion addiction but also give a buzz so people love to abuse them. I would have to say suboxone or subutex is a safer drug for withdrawl or the comming off of opiates.. methadone is great but outdated a little bit it still needs to be used of course for medical reasons but the suboxone seems to be working great for people I myself have no experience.. But methadone has had its problems expecially lately with overdosing and mixing of other drugs like benzodiazipines hints why they took the 40mg methadone wafer off the market... these are all my opinions..

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May have already been asked....

So I've been wondering...I started taking vicodin and percocet about three years ago. After spending much money and building up a ridiculous tolerance (to where I was spending sometimes a hundred dollars a day!) I was introduced to methdone. I wasn't sure about it at first, but the person that gave it to me, assured me that it would feel a lot like percocet but that it would last a lot longer, and I wouldn't feel like total &??$ if I didn't take more within 12 hours like I did with vicodin. I started taking it a few times a week, switching back and forth between vicodin and methadone. With a few weeks, I lost my vicodin hookup, so I just started taking methadone everyday. It became a daily habit back in November and it's now April and I'm sick of it! I'm sick of my life and happiness revolving around a stupid drug. And almost every bit of money I make goes toward feeding my addiction.

 

So my question is, how can I go about getting off the methadone?? Do methadone clinics help people like me? I mean, I'm addicted to methadone, so it just doesn't seem like it would make much sense for them to give me the drug I'm addicted to...but I guess if they continually give me lower and lower doses, it might work.. I don't know. If anyone knows a little something about this, please help me out.

 

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You might not get alot of help...

on this one, since you just admitted you're a prescription drug abuser. Prescription drug abusers/ and those involved in diversion are the ones who make Narcotic pain medicine so hard to obtain for people who are in legitimate, unbearable pain.

 

 

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HI LOSTALONE,

IV MANY YEARS EXPERIANCE WITH THIS.I WAS ON A METHADONE MAINTANANCE FOR FEW YRS AND THE CLINIC I WAS ON DIDNT AGREE THAT I WAS READY TO START A DETOX.I WAS.SO I DID IT MYSELF.AND ALTHOUGH IT WAS SLOW I DID IT PROPER AN THERFORE PAINLESS.WHEN I FINALLY GOT DOWN TO 5MLS I WENT EVEN SLOWER AND AFTER FINISHING I WAS CLEAN FOR NEARLY 3YRS.AND YES A CLINIC WILL OF COURSE DETOX YOU IF YOU CAN GET ON ONE.ID BE GLAD TO HELP YOU AND ADVISE YOU ON DO,S AND DONTS,I MEAN IV MORE EXPERIANCE THAN THESE PEOPLE IN THE CLINICS.SO IF YOU NEED ANY HELP OR SUPPORT JUS LETS NO AND IL GIVE YOU MY EMAIL..BEST OF LUCK SO

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I guess I failed to mention....

FeliksD,

Apparently I left out a few things... I started taking pain meds a few years ago because I was in terrible pain! I didn't have insurance, nor do I have it now, which makes it nearly impossible for me to find a doctor that will write up an order for me to have an MRI done. Through xrays, I learned that I have what looks to be degenerative disc disease, two herniated discs, and I just recently found out I also have endometiosis. Since high school (I graduated in 2000), I've always been in pain. The only reason I started taking those prescription pain meds was because I was in so much pain, and my doctor didn't want to start having me take narcotics at such a young age. They would give me 800 mg ibuprofen, or naproxen, or whatever, and nothing provided even a little relief. That was when a friend of mine introduced me to vicodin.

On that note, I completely agree with what you said about drug abusers being the ones who make it so hard for the people with real pain to get what they actually need. I know many people who have no pain whatsoever, and even they somehow get these meds PRESCRIBED!!

I now want to quit and try again to deal with the pain caused by all my physical problems, yet I'm terrified by the whole process and the idea of not having something to help me get through the day without pain or tears.

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I appreciate it

Thank you very much PV10. I'm trying to work up the nerve to tell my friends and family so I have support everywhere I go, but until then, it would be great to have someone like you there to help. I'd love to get your email address, or give you mine. But is there a way to share that info with each other without posting it for all these other people to see??

Thanks again!

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Yeah...that was some

important information. I've been through the same thing. I don't give advice here anymore; but I iwsh you the best of luck getting off of the methadone. It's not easy, makes vicodin withdrawal seem like a trip to candyland. But what matters is that it can be done, and 40 isn't really that high of a dose...relatively speaking....

 

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No, I'll pass on the clinic in my neighborhood

Hi All!

Allthough I really have no personal experience with methadone, I do believe that it can be a Godsend for some folks! I have read many testamonials about it's characteristics and effects! I won't comment furthur on any facets of it's use, abuse, &/or about it's benefits, or detriments, but I will address the question: " Would you want a methadone clinic in your neighborhood"?  My answer is simply "No"......

Okay, reason(s) for my opinion?  Well, there are many. My neighborhood is about 99% residential. There is one small florist. My neighborhood would not support ANY added structures without the removal of an existing building. Hmm... That makes it easy. There is not room! But, wait, There is more! I have knowlege about the location of two "M" clinics in my area (beyond my neighborhood,though), and both of them have lot's and lot's of situations which frequently occur, such as crime, i.e. tagging, fight's theft, litter (lots!), and as a result, the police are there, conservatively 5% of the times I drive by! (probably more than one out of twenty times!). There have also been multiple home break-in's w/in a couple blocks of both those location's, and in what may only be a coincidence, there have also been three murders near the larger one, and one murder in front of the smaller one. Ask ANYBODY in those areas &, if truthful, they will indeed speak of crime, & the probable connection with the "M" clinic.

 

Soooo...Thats about it (for me), I am convinced, because of personal investigation & experience, as well as the fact that my existing neighborhood could not accomodate a clinic, that it would NOT be in my best interest, or that of my friends and neighbors, in the area. With ALL this said, Could I change my mind, given certain guidelines,restrictions, and guarantees, on a proposed new clinic?  Well, the answer to thia question is YES! After all, I am open-minded, & never want to get too old to learn!  Whatcha think?   

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Heroin vs. Methadone

Okay, first thing I want to put out there I am totally ignorant to these two drugs... but one thing I wondered after reading all the posts on this is that they give you methadone to get you off of heroin.... I just think its odd to quit one narcotic for another hard narcotic. I am sure you guys know why, I was just curious for the reasonig behind that.

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Methadone

I live in an area less than 2 miles away from a Methadone maintenance clinic and no one here has seen any crime increase at all.

The Methadone clinics are heavily policed and watched by not only the government but by the public as well so while there may be people who have commited crime/s who are patients of the doctor that runs the clinic I can assure you that crime is not being commited in the neighborhoods close to the clinic -because of the clinic.

There is also a "smoke shack" on the property as well as little shops (much like a mini version of a farmers market) and there have been NO issues with the merchants and the Methadone PT's. People who are utilizing these clinics are not allowed to loiter and there are many security cameras; this does not mean that the people are not commiting crimes but rather if they are then they are not doing it on or near the clinic to which they depend on. In other words they do not shi* where they eat.

I have a relative who takes Methadone for maintenance and have been his only support as well as transportation to and from the clinic; he has moved twice, each time changing to a different clinic and each clinic is run the same way as far as the security and such. The clinics are only open from 6 am to no later that 11 am and they have strict rules regarding arriving at the clinic by no later that 10:55 am. This means that no addict is hanging around after noon. I have seen some pretty scary looking people there but have never been treated badly, they all seem to be very aware of their fortune in having this available to them and the ones who aren't following the rules are discharged from the program. Once a person has been kicked out of the Methadone program they are not likely to find another clinic that will accept them as a PT for at least 30 days and this is a rather huge deterrent since Methadone is such a nasty drug to withdraw from. Some people may be thinking that the patients would then just solve that problem by buying street drugs but honestly I don't believe the people at these clinics have the money to support their habits and I'd bet that many of them stay away from stealing because detoxing from Methadone in jail would not be fun. I am sure there are exceptions and some people will forever continue to live a high risk, drug abusing life style no matter, but studies prove that Methadone clinics do help to reduce crime. blood born pathogens such as hepatitis B C and D and let's not forget HIV and AIDS.

That being said... I was also taking Methadone, although it was for pain and not addiction.

Methadone is a nasty drug! I was living in a stupor, a haze of sorts and gained over 100 pounds in little more than a year, 60 of those pounds were gained in only 5 months. the weight gain may sound trivial but with my bone disease it has served to make the pain so much worse and has limited my activity as well as caused depression.

The doctor I was seeing refused to prescribe anything other Methadone 10 with 15  of the 5 mg Oxycodone. After it became obvious to me that this doctors' interest was not in helping me but rather solely lay in whether or not he was prescribing anything other than Methadone I decided to fire him and found another doctor.

My current doctor did an extensive and thorough panel of blood work (something the other Dr. did not ever do) and he is interested helping me to improve my quality of life. Anyone who does suffer from chronic and debilitating pain will understand the emotional break down I experienced once I found a doctor who was willing to help me instead of categorizing me as a "drug seeker" and being satisfied with watching my health detiorate so long as my U.A.'s came back okay and I didn't complain.

Switching from Methadone to a different drug was awful and I will never allow myself to go there again! First we evaluated the amount of Methadone versus the break through and increased the B.T. tremendously while decreasing the Methadone by half; I felt so much better! Then after 3 months of stability we switched to Morphine E.R. with the same B.T; complete ???$*!!! Even while taking the rather high dose of Morphine I still SUFFERED from Methadone withdrawl for 60 days until my next appointment when he prescribed Xanax to help with sleep and the massive panic attacks. Then after another 60 days of feeling terrible, I again went to my appointment and we switched to Oxycontin 40 with the B.T. and Xanax. After 30 days I was only taking one half of one Xanax at bedtime at aprox. every 3 to 5 nights, now after 4 months I take the Xanax maybe twice a month AND the amount of drugs I am putting into my body has decreased by more than half!

The first Dr. had me taking way too much Methadone which I have been told was an average dose; this tells me that two things were going on: 1. the doctor treating me was/is a poor excuse for a doctor and 2. Methadone is a nasty drug. My advice to pain patients is to JUST SAY NO TO METHADONE!  and for people who suffer from the DIESEASE of addiction... Naltrexone and Suboxone is safer, healthier and the withdrawl is nothing compared to Methadone (per Methadone patients).

So unless you are willing to stay on Methadone for life and go through the awful side effects and/or experience the withdrawl for months while trying to safely switch to a different medication STAY AWAY FROM THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DOCTORS WHO ARE USING THE MEDICATION TO COVER THEIR OWN *!&!@ and on the other hand causing harm to their patients.

FYI: pt's receiving Methadone through a maintenance program do not experience euphoria. The maintenance pt starts the program 'dope sick' and the Methadone is given only in small carefully measured doses, the typical maintenance pt has a very high tolerance and the Methadone is usually started at 30 and increased 5 to 10 every week or sometimes two until the pt is stable. They are also given a troph test which measures the amount of the drug absorption which ensures that they are not only metabolizing the drug safely but that they are not intentionally overdosing. The half life of Methadone is about 22 hours but depending on various factors such as the weight of the pt, their over all health, BMI and length of time on the drug etc. may cause variations. Its slow onset and long duration of effect can help avoid establishing the reward behaviors that can occur with fast-acting, short-duration opioids such as some of the non synthetic opioids and contrary to expectations, toxicity occurs more frequently in patients previously exposed to high dosages of opioids.

 

My experience and opinions (not necessarily those of the next guy/gal)

Before anyone flames this post over spelling mistakes or improper punctuation please know that I really do not care if I am as gramatically correct as you wish me 2 B. I hoped this site was about medication rather than an english/writing lesson but it seems that one member in particular is quiet content with picking apart posts and making assumptions on a persons intention per their use of 'slang' and spelling mistakes (which could be due to such a thing as dislexyia); the same slang in which I have heard doctors and pharmacists use, such as "percs" or "oxy's" ( and I wonder if this person who is so critical of others has ever read their medical reports and noticed the mis spellings of their highly educated Dr?).

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METHADONE FOR CHRONIC PAIN

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   I live in Fl., and have been getting methadone for chronic pain for a little over a year. At least here, only certain Drs. are allowed to write scripts for it, I've heard, but I have also heard that any MD can write methadone, they are just very reluctant to do so. One thing I do know for certain is as of Jan 08, the 40mg tabs can no longer be written for chronic pain, according to the FDA website. When used for chronic pain, it is used as the extended release med, because it is so long acting, and then one is usually given another, shorter acting opiate for breakthrough pain. In my case I take 20mg methadone twice daily, and up to 32mg (four 8mg) hydromorphone for breakthrough. I am also a fan of methadone whether it be for chronic pain or maintenance, simply because ones tolerance doesn't seem to escalate with it nearly as fast as with other opiates. I have tried hydrocodone, percocet, oxycodone IR, oxycontin, morphine, fentanyl, and the dilaudid, and all of them, even the extended release stuff (oxycontin, fentanyl, morphine ER) at least in my case, I needed two today, three tomorrow, and five the next day to get the same relief. At one time I was on 160mg oxycontin and up to 360mg oxycodone instant release every day! I was pretty much worthless as far as functionality goes. Over the past year I have worked my way "down" to my current dose and all I can say is thank God for the methadone. I personally believe that if it was more readily available and didn't have such a stigma attatched to it, there would be alot more functional people out there, addict or not. Any time someone hears one is taking methadone, however, that person is, at the very least, percieved differently. One has to be very careful, I have found, about who they share thier experience with. It is one of the reasons I frequent this forum. As far as putting clinics in residential neighborhoods, that is just plain unrealistic. People are worried enough about property values these days as it is.

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methadone and xanx

I speak totally from experience. Methadone should be used only as a last resort for pain management. It is a nightmarish drug. It usually takes hold and never lets go creating much more horrible problems especially in use with a methadone clinic. With the advent of Suboxone I don't see the need for a methadone clinic. The social sigma along with the complete overall negative treatment. As to taking Xanax to sleep, don’t try it wont work. I have known many who have tried and only succeeded in a much more horrible nightmare.
I thank God for the counselor and Doctor who bought me to Suboxone. Over two years clean. And even when I suffered a horrid injury I was able to control the fear of addiction.
Returning to Xanx don’t rehab under control conditions. I wont say I did it on my own out of fear it would cause deaths.

All that I can comment on is NYC. Methadone bring out the worse of the worse. Suboxone for addiction and methadone as last resort for pain. As for Xanx they should not even exist.

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Methadone clinics...

ARE NOT heavily policed anywhere I know of...maybe those were the wrong choice of words. If they were, 70% of the patients would get busted for outstanding warrants. Come on, it's reality.

As for crime reduction, they certainly don't reduce crime in the area the clinic is in...addicts have to pay for their methadone fix just the same as junkies have to pay for their heroin. I paid 12 bucks a day for my 180 dose.

Methadone is a nasty drug when used at high doses for prolonged periods, thats for sure....

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!st day on methadone

Today was my first time to go to pain management and to take methadone. My doctor chose to put me on it because of how inexpensive it is. I am prescribed 5mg every 8 hours. Its been about two hours since I dosed and I have the biggest pounding headache. I dont know if its helping with the pain because all I can feel is the front of my head throbbing. Oh, and by the way, I have never done heroin or abused drugs. I also picked up my Rx at walgreens and its not a methadone clinic I go to.

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methadone

how long does it take for methadone to get out of your system??????? answer asap please

 

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up to 120-170 hrs. Upon repeated administration, even longer....

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72-120 hrs acute use       chronic use = much longer than 3-5 days

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There is another drug used

There is another drug used mainly in opioid maintenance therapy programs, and in european coutries like the Netherlands, France and Germany e.t.c.

It is called LAAM for short , it's full name is Levo - Alpha - Acetyl - Methadol.   It is ver similar in molecular stucture and mode of action as methadone, only it binds to body proteins and lipids for a mich longer time and it is possible to dose once every 3 days,  and that is it's major benefit.  It is not used in Ireland at the moment but they are looking at introducing it for certain people, like people who live far away from a clinic they wont have to travel every day.  I don't think they use it in the U.S. but if anyone knows if they do or have done could they let me know, I would appreciate it.  Thanks , all the best . M.

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Before moving to FL, my Law enforcement job in upstate NY was a drug infested city....  we had a field day waiting down the street to watch a methadone clinic....  lines were waiting OUTSIDE for the "patients" to leave and sell there new supply.   I fully understand and some how support past illegal addicts that are properly using the clinics to help themselves, but that number could be counted on one finger.  just my opinion.  This does not in anyway condone the use for PM, this was all for heroin users.

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Take Home Doses

It was the Fourth of July 1995 and my husband, the recreational drug user was spending the afternoon with a "friend" who had just passed his six month "treatment" at the local Methadone clinic.  This particular clinic allows addicts to take their methadone home once they have completed pre-set goals of their treatment program.  Not sure why.....An hour before midnight, my husband suffers a Grand Mal seizure, is transported to the hospital, his tongue half bitten into.  After an hour, they restart his heart, unfortunately he was brain dead.  Written on the Paramedic report a statement from this "friend" that they had called 911 after my husband could not be awakened.  Medic asks how long he's been in the floor......45 minutes they would answer.  The Medic notes it with a ?.  Medic asks if he's done any drugs......no, just a couple a beers and smoked some pot they would answer.  The report reads my husband's in the floor, cool and clammy to the touch, no heartbeat or pulse, blue and bleeding from the mouth.  I guess they were waiting for the movie to finish in that 45 minutes before they called for help.  Two weeks later the autopsy report shows my husband died of an overdose of Methadone......combined with the beer, the pot and some valium.

I am aware this "friend" is in Methdone treatment, he swears all of his meds are administered on site.  Turns out as I started out with, this clinic allows their good addicts to take it home.  Figure it out.

Now I am sure there are many addicts who are in a successful Methadone program and I am happy that they are seeking treatment. They should however take all meds on site......as there some addicts who will always be addicts....and junkies....and dealers.   Some of them will always want to share their drugs......Methadone is a very dangerous drug and should only be taken under strict medical supervision.  It is not a drug for someone to play with.  By the way, I have never faulted this "friend" for giving/selling him the Methadone.  Truth said, my husband would have chased a high from any direction.  He didn't know how dangerous Methadone was.......he did though trust his "friend" and that was his cardinal mistake.

So no, I don't want a Methadone clinic in my neighborhood.......god forbid, there may be a fire and my house could burn before anyone, going to or coming from their Methadone stupor would call for help. 

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I would be saying, "Don't blame it on the friend.  In the end it was your husband's decision, what he put in his body just like the rest of us."  It is just the fact that he (the "friend") waited 45 min. before he called for help that sounds "fishy" to me.

I have been in the "friend's" position before, and my quick action to drag my friend to my car and take him to the hospital saved his life.  I stayed calm when I relized what my friend had done in my apartment and I think that had a great deal to do with the positive outcome.  I'm not going to 'kid' myself, I was very scared that my best friend was about to die in my apartment.  Something I never want to experience again!  And, no I did not have any problem with the authorities (cops) at the hospital or ever relating to this incident.  The doctors and everyone were just happy I got my friend to them as quickly and safely as I did.  My friend had to stay overnight in the ICU, but the next day he was fine, except for the withdrawals he was starting to go through in the hospital.

I was just happy that I saved his life, since I have lost 3 other friends of mine from high school to different types medication and illicit drug overdoses, where I was not able to help.

 

I truely wish you the best.  Try to move on with your life and enjoy it.  Life is to short to keep re-living the past. 

 

Good luck and God bless.

 

 

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Moving On

No, as I said, I never blamed this friend for the Methadone, I could not prove this is where the Methadone he took came from here.  I totally understand it was my husband's choice to do drugs; his addiction had no discretion.

I applaud your quick actions to save your friends - we all make bad decisions and we all hope someone is watching out for us.  The point of my story remains that Methadone is a dangerous drug - not to be talked about frivilously.  People can get into real trouble taking an extra dose and/or adding other drugs and/or alcohol.  Methadone if not taken properly and under the strict care of a physician, can kill......somewhat different than other types of overdose, the respiratory problems, seizures may not present until hours after taking it.  That is all I was trying to say...............

As for me and why I am here, I am a CP patient myself and I never sought any type of pain management until after he passed.  It was foolish for me to expect that whatever medications I had and no matter where I kept them, he would find them, take them and do what he did best - get high.   So before he died, I took nothing, somehow better to take nothing than to chance being like him.

That in and of itself has made my treatment present it's own problems as there is a part of me that wonders what separates me from him.  I don't know if anyone else feels this way.  In any case, I have moved on and as best as I can, forgiven him.  For our daughter, it has not been that easy.  She will always see him as abandoning her - which is what he did.  I have tried to put it in perspective and explain addiction, but it remains that his initial choice to do drugs and continue doing them was a "choice".

My PM doctor prescribed Methadone for me last month - too many years and side effects of Morphine.  I admit, for pain management Methadone is cheap and effective.  For me though, it came with too much baggage, was too much a reminder of the past.  I am now on Opana ER and MSIR for b/t.  For me this combination seems to be working.

I found this website through a friend who understands my problems in taking narcotics.  It has been good to know there are others who struggle with the issue of knowing it is "okay" to take narcotics.  Like someome else said on another thread, because of the "my husbands" of the world, PM treatment is more difficult to obtain.  And I see it here, those who get meds from others or buy it on the streets - again my point, there is sometimes a price for that.

There is much I can learn here.

 

 

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3red, have you considered Fentanyl?

The patch delivery system was developed with consideration for both pill-adverse and narco-adverse individuals. Due to the life I lead 25-40 years ago (between the ages of 16 and 30) I am extremely narco-adverse. When I was diagnosed with cancer 28 months ago I quickly learned how painful the life-saving therapy was going to be for the rest of my life, because there is no cure or operation that will end this, only hormone therapy. Up until 5 weeks ago, I was on the Oxycodone pill carosel. I was Rxed up to 8 OxycodoneIR 30 mg p/d and the IR rollercoaster was really getting me down more than up. Every time I took a pill I was reminded of a past that is long gone and I ended up with Chronic Depression as well as CP and cancer.

Fortunately, I have a great marriage and my wife and I also have a wonderful psychiatrist. He Rxed me an SSNRI called Cymbalta that works on my CP as well as the CD. The next step was to accept the inevitable (Fentanyl has always seemed like an end of the road drug to me.) and request the patch. Now I only dose myself every 72 hrs, except for when BTP rears it's ugly head . . . it has really helped to avoid the memories of the past. Please give it some consideration. I noticed that cost is a concern, I have Health Insurance (HI) so I'm paying only $10 for a month's RX. I have no idea what the uninsured cost is, but there are several competing generic brands . . . of which Mylan is far and away the best. 

I'm lucky to live in a state that has an incredibly good private health plan that is subsidized not by the taxpayers but by the Health Insurance Companys (HIC) that do business here. The requirements for acceptance are simple; if you have been refused HI because of a pre-existing condition then you qualify. The premiums are based on your Family Income, if a household of 2 makes less than $28,000 p/y then it's 75% off, which means I pay only $111 p/m for full private covg. and only a $500 deductableand my 53 yr old wife pays $120. I wish "The Powers That Be" in DC would check this plan out, it really works well!

Your posts in the Exactly one month since you joined have been consistently well written and well thought out. It seems that we have a lot to learn from you, please keep it up!        

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Yes Quince

I have tried Fentanyl; unfortunately I am too much of a sun rat for them to be practical.  And I know - the sun is so bad for you; still the sun and the beach are like natural highs for me; there is something about the constance of the waves that reminds me that no matter things seem, there is no end.

I think we all have a lot to learn from each other.  Maybe that is what it means to be in chronic pain, having to remember what it was like to know the meaning of commradary.  Just to be able to reach out and feel somone who knows what we are going through.  You know most of us, when we were young enjoyed the "high" life......and now we are reminded that there is no real high in drugs.  Only before they got us through  the weekend and now they get us through the weeks.

I thank you all for letting me hang my hat here.  I have sat in silence for too long.

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Powerful story. I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's struggle with this situation...how old is she?

 

Yeah you know the sense of comradery with people on this site makes the experience easier. If I did not belong to a community of people who share some of my struggles, my pain related depression would probably be far worse. I'm thankful for people like quincy who really help me put the pain into perspective. My condition will hopefully be remedied in a relatively short period of time and I'll end up spending less than 2 years dealing with this pain. But people like Q are in it til the finish yet keep a good attitude and this is encouraging to me. Having others relate with my experience makes the stigma of taking pain meds not as bad, kind of what you are saying. Any time I have to fill out a form listing my medications I get either a dirty look or a good talking at by whoever may be reading it. If I felt alone in this I might start to think that there is something wrong with me. Thankfully I know theres not and things will be fine, some day....

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Oneir my daughter

will soon be 25; she graduated from Auburn University about a year ago and lives out of state.  She is a good kid.  I had a really tough time putting her through college; it is simply ridiculous how much college costs.  It is though behind us; I am so proud and happy that the best parts of her dad, in her, still live.  Perhaps one day she will know that is not a bad thing.  I will keep telling her that he was not a bad man, simply one that made bad decisions.

Okay since we are being honest - never been through withdrawal and don't plan on doing it.  Withdrawal is not something most CP's will face for as long as we are doing what we are supposed to do, we are always going to be on narcotics.  Just a fact.....Because of the things I've lived through, I don't have a lot of tolerance for people in withdrawal.  I am trying to work on that and sadly, this site has given me plenty of posts to read on the subject.  I appreciate those of you that remain in check as sometimes my first thought is to click to another subject.   I think tolerance must be one of those virtues that comes with time, yet is tested by experience.  I hope to continue to learn from all of you.

The other thing I hate is TV shows that glorify drug use.  And I understand House is completely functional on his Vicodin......but that everyone knows it and jokes about it......I mean please, where the heck is the reality in this?  I don't think I could go to work, ask my boss to write me a script, break it up and [censored] it in front of another co-worker and still have a job.   And Nurse Jackie............which hospital has no controls over scheduled drugs......especially the last show about the nurse with terminal cancer came back to die and everyone came for the goodbye with their vial of morphine and toasted her in the ER.  Do you really think anywhere in the real world, there is not a strict count of morphine vials and eiht or nine of them could disappear without mention.  I mean where does this happen.   There is no fun in drug use and while these two medical TV heros for the most part, appear on task, clear of mind and totally functional it all has this "recreational" feel.  There are hints of pain and House does limp, but neither is portrayed as a chronic pain patient.......god forbid.  It may be just me but this plays to society and sends the message that drug use is okay....it's not - people die.....ask me.  I mean re-write it, make them CP's.....not users.

I agree chronic pain is really lonely and depressing; most of us are filling a big void by hearing someone say the same things we have been saying.  There are so many times I wish I could go for a run....even a long walk.  Perhaps sleep like normal people do.  Oh well, it could be worse.  I'm going to have some coffee, grab my cat and watch CSI Miami.

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House M.D.

House= Garbage. That show is a prime example of why television is referred to as the "idiot box."

The only good television is public televison, dontcha' know? Wink

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methadone...

I was prescribed methadone 10 mg. a few years back from my PM at the time.  At first, he gave me 5 mg. Ethex oxycodone and I needed something for bt pain.  The methadone really helped at night, when pain seemed worse and I didn't have any complaints with taking it then because it helped me sleep.  Now I have been with a new doctor over 2 years and he switched me over to 15 mg oxycodone.  (If he doesn't have the 15 mg available, he will give me the 30 which need to be cut in halves) 

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methadone versus suboxone

I have been on methadone for a year in 05-06 and had a terrible experience with withdrawl. Now after my opiate use got well out of hand I have  been  back at a different methadone clinic for 2 months where they use wafers diluted instead of liquid. Now I have the option of going on suboxone for free through the VA because I am a veteran. I am scared of the withdrawl because I can well remember the pain. I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation and does suboxone work for cravings because the methadone does but I hate having to drive everyday and pay as well. What would you do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charles

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Are you happy with the Methadone?  In order to switch to Suboxone you would need to be taking ~30mg of Methadone or less.  How much Methadone are you currently taking?  If you have a really serious issue with Opiate over-use, in my opinion the Methadone, at a sufficient dose, will be able to handle a more serious addiction problem.  I have been taking Methadone ( for pain after a rollover car accident ) for over a year, and there is so much more of a benefit with it over other opiates.  I have taken Suboxone also and as a side note, it has a ceiling dose of 32mg after which there is no increase in its analgesic effect.

I would stay with the Methadone.

Suboxone is also very $$$$$!

 

Good luck, and thanks for serving for our country.  You are a hero and don't forget it.

 

 

I am not a doctor always seek the help of a licensed professional.

 

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METHADONE ADVOCATES AND A CLINIC

I am a huge proponent of methadone. I prefer to get it issued to me by my doctor rather than going to a clinic on a daily basis and being surrounded by addicts. It is like jail, in that you are around people who know where to get other drugs. Illicit drugs, to be more specific. It is much better to have a script so you can take the meds on your time, not the clinics time. No waiting in line. No being hassled by hardcore junkies who insist that they were ahead of you in line, even though they were outside smoking. No illicit drug offers. The freedom to travel away from the clinic rather than being a slave to its hours and its dramatic bureaucratic *#?&&$**. No mandatory meeting with counselors for no good reason at all.

I can go on and on so, I won't. Methadone is a great pain management med. I am on it now from a doctor, rather than a clinic and it has been a miracle for me. Although Fentanyl patches are a close second.

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SOURCE OF SUPPORT

There has been quite a bit of positive support-oriented posts on this site. It is very refreshing to see this from CP sufferers. Too many times these sites become Forums of the Dumb, over run by rapscallions on the hunt for a connection or, over-zealous drug experts ranting to no end about the various ways to abuse all manner of meds. I am very excited that I stumbled onto this site and have read some of the posts. I find the users on this board very helpful and uplifting.

Thanks & Aloha,

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Migy,

I'm sort of new to this board and glad you like it too!  You can obtain a wealth of information as well as solid, non-judgmental advice here.  Welcome!  When it comes to methadone, I cannot imagine having to travel to a clinic everyday to get a daily dose.  The pm monthly visit had made me feel fortunate in that aspect.  Thanks for your input...~Theresa

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messed up!!!

Most people who are addicts have some type of depression such as bi polar disorder, anxiety, depression and such.  My psychiatrist prescribed me xanax for my anxiety and it's the only thing that works.  I dont' take it every day but it could stay in you system for up to 6 weeks depending on what type of problems i'm having.  My clinic gives us take homes and I lost 3 of the closest members of my family and had some anxiety so i tested dirty for benzo's so low and behold they took my take home medicine from me.  Now one of my closest cousins passed away and i'm fighting my anxiety and I think that is so unfair.  My prescription is take as needed not every day and I don't take them every day.  But, the amount of time they stay in your system pretty much screws me.  I dont want to drive 66 miles a day 7 days a week.  ( This is Cleveland by the way) So, I spoke to someone in a head shop and I bought a 7 day detox and he said continue to take what you want to show up on the test( the methadone) because they make sure you dont' %?#$$ around with that and discontinue taking what you don't want to show up( the benzo's ) i just took my urine yesterterday and i will find out in a few days but i cant keep buying these 70 dollar kits just to get take homes.  I only get tested once a month but you never know when any suggestions other than xanax?  the only problem is that it works!!! 

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????So you are prescribed

????

So you are prescribed xanax but also go to a methadone clinic? And since you're drug tested you are trying to make sure they don't find out you're taking xanax?

Xanax and Methadone can be a nasty combination with serious side effects but I know there are people who take them in combination under medical supervision. If the xanax is necessary and legitimately prescribed I'm surprised they are unwilling to treat you if you are taking it...

Talk to someone at the clinic and see if they can make an exception if your bring in a note from your doctor and make sure both clinics are aware of eachother's treatment...

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Methadone use has been proven

Methadone use has been proven to reduce criminality in former illicit opiate users.  I would be thankful to have one in my neighborhood to help those who need it. 

P.S. to those who use the abbreviation "meth" for methadone, plz consider abstaining from that, and instead just writing methadone.  Because most ppl use meth to mean methamphetamine.  So as not to confuse others. We especially do not want the public mixing methadone with methamphetamine. thx.

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Why Not?

I live in a nice neighborhood and have a clinic about a mile away. Like was mentioned earlier why would you want to put up roadblocks for people trying to save their families, children and their own lives. A lot of these people have children, what did they do? for one it cost $9.50 a day to go to the clinic. These people have the choice of buying dope or saving their childrens and their families life. Choose life. would you rather have that kid sitting in a car at the dope house waiting on mommy to come out after doing her bump to drive them home. Metahdone changes lives and yes you need to be careful when coming down on your dose. It will stay in your bone marrow for months and the withdrawl is much worse than heroin or other opiates. So you need to go down slow so you don't relapse. A lot of addicts end up dead that way. They go down to fast and get something to help and end up doing too much.

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Benzo's and take homes

     I have never had any problems until we got a new owner at our clinic, if I had been prescribed the xanax. Now he's starting to take everyone on benzos take homes away. This has !#*?%? so many people off, like you said many of us have destroyed our nervous system so alot of the people at the clinic take benzos. I only live a mile away and we have at least five within driving range so I have told them I am going to a diffrent clinic like a lot of the other people because I have lost a lot of my days. I went from a once a month to three times a week. I have been going to the clinic off and on for a a few years and I dont have my license right now or I would have already gone. Hes promised not to take anymore days away but if you find something that works from the headshop I would like to know, so I can get my days back. I have been clean for a long while now with the combination of these drugs an this dr is on some kind of powertrip. I will have my car back this month so I will drive as far as it takes if I can get back to 1x a month

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The cost of Suboxone

I have been on Suboxone since september 2008. It has completely changed what I had turned myself into. I am an attorney that ended up with a habit of 10 to 13 10/325 hydrocodiene a day habit.. After I had completely lost everything I owned including my wife and children. I was working harded on trying to supply my habit than what i was putting into my business. Eventually you will do things that are unethical. When i finally woke up i had nothing no home no business trouble with the law. I was totally out of character. I tried first with the methdone clinic. I would have to wake up at 5AM in the morning to drive to a clinic find myself in a room full of people that where in the same problem i was, but much more less desirable than what i think i am. Here I am in a suit and tie feeling really out of place. the doctor made me feel like it was a game asking me do i want more he can give me all i want. He was a drug dealer himself but with a license. They was not there to help just to make money off my addiction like everyone else.

I went to a local doctor that told me that my blood pressure was way to high 180 over 120 my clestrol was 450 she said i was a walking time bomb. Truely by the grace of God I found Suboxone. I went to a Pyschatrist which prescribed me the drug. she gives me as much as i want 75 8mg tablets a month. I feel good. I take about 12 to 16MG a day. So I am pretty stocked up on them. Without insurance i can see the problem the majority of people would have being on this medicine. they want 683.00 for 75 pills that is almost 10 a pill . No it is no cheaper than the Hydro i gave 48 dollars for a bottle of 120. So they really need to get the price down to a price the normal person can afford. the treatment has been a success with me i have not took hydro in almost one year now. i just hope i have not switched one bad addiction to another. I have never ran out of Suboxone so i dont know the withdraws, but they same like or even worse than the Hydro withdraws and if that is so #%^*! i hope i never run out. I also believe the suboxone stopped me from drinking also just another big plus in my life.