June 25, 2009 - 9:18pm
Those of us in Chronic Pain that need the meds just to get up and do what we got to do from be with our family to taking care of them will be crucified because Michael Jackson had too much opiate medication. (for whatever reason..I am not judging the man). But get ready becasue if you think life after elvis' death was bad, you ain't soon nothing yet
From a British paper:
Last night it was suspected his collapse could have been caused by an overdose of painkiller.
An Emergency Room source at UCLA hospital said Jackson aides told medics he had collapsed after an injection of potent Demerol — similar to morphine.
A Jacko source said: “Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing.
“His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped.
June 25, 2009 - 9:40pm
#2
as a EMT
While working the mines the use of the word heart attack is often list as the cause of death, even if the death was caused by drowning,by lighting strikes , by accidental falls, the reason they do this is because the heart stops beating thus simply heartattack.
according to MSNBC NEWS he was found, the OP, seems to think that either he was injected an monitored, he had a private DR, same as Anna Nicole
either way MAY THE GOOD LORD ALMIGHTY, embrace both Micheal an Farrah into his bosom, an bless their families in their time of need.
Woodstock
June 25, 2009 - 9:46pm
#3
That's right, Med Head.
There's no point in thinking about yourself, the MJ individual is dead and that's kind of sad. Heck, everyone deserves a kindly thought upon their death, so here's a God Bless You from Q to you, MJ.
June 25, 2009 - 9:57pm
#4
June 25, 2009 - 10:39pm
#5
You're
...jumping the gun. Painkiller O.D. is a rumor at this point. Besides, British tabloids are (believe it or not,) worse than American ones in terms of false/ distorted information.
Guess he'll be getting the final answer on whether or not it's ok to sleep with random little children in the same bed...
Someone please delete the accidental duplicate posts, I'm typing in the dark...
June 26, 2009 - 1:54am
#6
MJ's former attorney said MJ
MJ's former attorney said MJ was surrounded by enablers. Not sure if it is true just repeating what I heard. Anyway I hope he can be happy. Take care, htmom
June 26, 2009 - 10:03am
#7
what mcs7 said
i kinda beleive in what mcs7 put in words imean after heath ledger my doctors were more cautious about given me any pain reducers
June 26, 2009 - 12:17pm
#8
Heath Ledger
Never ceases to amaze me, these people (celebrities) have the world handed to them on a silver platter, and they toss it away...All that cash must elicit a sense of immortality.
We forgot about Anna Nicole Smith. Now that was a tragic situation. Somehow her son was caught up with prescription drugs. His death, and the timing/ circumstances surrounding it made me very sad, which is a rarity.
htmom- Good point. Wouldn't doubt it; ALL celebs. are surrounded by "enablers." Hope you're having a day.
June 26, 2009 - 12:57pm
#9
I don't get it either,
FeliksD. My wife and I face physical and financial dificulties every day and yet we are so happy with our life together that it makes some people sick . . . just kidding about the "sick" part, but you get the point. Celebs like Heath Ledger, Kurt Cobain, and now MJ . . . born with such amazing talent and yet they were all unable to face life. I guess the Beatles were right, "Money Can't Buy You Love". I've read about their respective childhoods ad infinitum in everything from The New Yorker to People and I can't say that their young lives were any worse than my own or many of my friends' lives either. Different details sure, but it's all the same in the end . . . life's tough, get used to it now and get over it. Or, as my Mom would say, "Quit your gritching and get to work.", smart woman, my Mom.
Q
June 26, 2009 - 11:18pm
#10
The other thing that works
The other thing that works against you when you have tons of money is that our financial limitations force us to learn discipline. The times in my life where I have been the poorest have been the times where I've learned the most about making sound, wise and health promoting desicion making. Sometimes I think if I had tons of money I would lose my discipline and balance.
June 26, 2009 - 11:23pm
#11
Hmmmm
Brittany Spears comes to mind...What celebrity hasn't at least dabbled in drugs?
Even Clinton used cocaine 
Getting to the point financially where basically any material thing in the world could BELONG to you if you so deisre must elicit far more euphoria than any drug ever could. Hence the saying "drunk with power..."
June 26, 2009 - 11:58pm
#12
I didnt really care too much
I didnt really care too much about his death yesterday, and I even made a crude joke about him being in N.A.M.B.L.A. I was quick to judge him. Today I kind am feeling bad he died because he did put out some good music back in the day. No one really knows for sure if all the allegations against him were true or if he was a target of extortion being rich and famous.
One thing is he was addicted to opioids. He was in rehab for them after his first trial back in the early 90s. I heard on the news today that he was being sued by a pharmacy for not paying a tab of $100,000. The doctor on the news said it was obvious he wasnt taking zoloft or xanax which he probaly should have been on because his bill wouldnt have been that high. He had a tour coming up in the UK that he already sold out 50 shows. I think the stress got to him and he was taking pain killers and not some kind of psychoactive drug to deal with it.
June 27, 2009 - 12:00am
#13
Felix???
Clinton used cocaine??? Dont you mean Obama. I thought Clinton, "smoked but didnt inhale" Obama self admitted to it in his memoir.
Celebrities are always abusing drugs. Its either the stress of being in that spotlight or just part of that rich hollywood lifestyle.
June 27, 2009 - 12:22am
#14
lets set the record straight
CLINTON smoked a toke
GEORGE BUSH sniffed a line
OBAMA---??????????? this worries me
WOODSTOCK
June 27, 2009 - 12:24am
#15
His dr. lived with him and
His dr. lived with him and was going to be on tour with him. The only way to get away from everything MJ is to shoot the tv. Just a joke!!!! But I have felt like s t for the last week and had a fever this morning. So I'm stuck to watching the idiot box. I WILL be better tomorrow. Take care, htmom
June 27, 2009 - 12:35am
#16
Its a shame... Farrah only
Its a shame... Farrah only had 5 hours for people to mourn her before the Michael Jackson stole the spotlight. Michael was in bad financial trouble so he needed to do this tour. Which kind of doesnt make sense because he was renting that house he died in for $100,000 a month.... unless all of this was being paid for on borrowed money.
Woodstock, Obama wrote about using marijuana and cocaine alot in college if he could afford it. I dont think hes doing it now. But he sure is spending like a coke addict.
June 27, 2009 - 12:43am
#17
yahoo headlines:
Micheal Jackson 400 million in debt. an then wants to know who will the kids go too, this is kinda a no brainer, the mothers should get them if they are sercure an not unfit,
Woodstock
June 27, 2009 - 1:47am
#18
I Shot the Dish
Well, I didn't shoot it but I did cancel my satellite service last week. We hadn't turned the TV on for almost a year Htmom, it just got to where we couldn't take it's lyin' eye anymore. We don't have reception worth a darn here in the mountains so it's been books 'n movies for entertainment. Don't miss it a bit . . . I just wish that I had done it sooner.
FeliksD, I think you made an error in your logic chain in your reply #11. If money, hence power, is a better euphoric than "any drug" could be, why did they OD on drugs? Why didn't they just pile up all that cash, hike to the top, and jump?
Q
June 27, 2009 - 3:44am
#19
Woodstock.... what about the
Woodstock.... what about the third child? The third child was a sereogate mother that was artificially inseminated from MJs sperm.
June 27, 2009 - 1:05pm
#20
Q,
My point was they feel they are immune to any type of consequence (i.e. from excessive drug use.) I'm sure none of them were tying to O.D. , it just happened. Furthermore, they're all well aware that there's always a Dr. or a Lawyer to put band-aid's on their %?#$$ ups. They think they're immortal.
And yes, it's true that Clinton had coke in his office on at least one occasion when he was Gov. of Arkansas. Bush was, and probably still IS a raging drunk.
JFK was also doped up constantly on pain killers and amphetamines.
This is all confimed information. If anyone is compelled to question my sources, feel free to P.M. me. I don't read Wikipedia for my information...
P.S. Who in America hasn't smoked pot?
June 27, 2009 - 1:47pm
#21
I never heard of the Clinton
I was just about to get into politics but I am re-editing this whole post I just put. No matter what everyone on here is going to have a difference of opinion about how the president is running the country. Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. Theres always going to be haters... I try to stay middle of the road, but I will just say I dont like how things are headed. This is a big edit from what I originally posted.
I think its best for all of us to not let our topics turn into political forum.
June 27, 2009 - 3:24pm
#22
Well, I just saw a video
Well, I just saw a video confirming that Michael Jackson was addicted to opioids and sought after oxycontin and demerol. The person in the interview talks about they need to go after these "prescription drug pushers" (doctorsL
June 27, 2009 - 10:01pm
#23
A SURAGATE
is a mother , if she gave birth then legally she s the childs mother, only thing that would stop anything if she signed legal papers totally releasing the childs parental rights.
June 27, 2009 - 11:23pm
#24
Hello James, I have Q on the other line . . .
Q here James, thank you for untying that knicker knot for me. I should have asked you why they were doing drugs, not "why did they OD on drugs?". They OD'ed because they thought that with all that moola they were "immune to the consequences" of doing too much. Now my question is; If they already possessed the most potent euphoric out there, why were they taking/doing drugs? Obviously, it wasn't for an exaggerated sense of well-being, a good definition of euphoria. Perhaps they were just bored, huh?
Jeremy made a very good point in a recent p.m. discussion we were having about an e-friend of mine that died last week. He was a very wealthy 58 year old Venezuelan oil oligarch. He died because he couldn't take the strain of the hormone therapy any longer . . . he chose to stop the therapy and he died, just 2 years after he was diagnosed with the same type of prostate cancer that I have. He was getting the exact same therapy that I am. JJ said that rich people aren't as tough as he and I are, that they'd had it so easy for so long they were no longer able to deal with the larger, and inescapable, problems of life. I'm definitely not the sort of guy that can chew nails and spit tacks but I get by, and anyway, that's not the sort of tough that Jeremy was talking about. He meant that the eazy/sleazy life can sap a person's inner strength. When a person loses his soul, he is left with nothing. It can happen to any of us, and it's not always money that's at the root of this evil . . . more often than not it's the fatal combination of stupidity and ennui.
That's it for my philosophy lecture, now I wonder what happened to our OP? Call for mcs7 . . . Call for mcs7 . . . mcs7, where are you?
Q
June 27, 2009 - 11:33pm
#25
Quincy:
can relate to the above post, My Wife an I, have always worked hard , Me as the bread winner, an her as a excellent housekeeper an Mother, anytime I was doing anything , my Wife was always by my side getting her hands dirty helping me. We always raised our own gardens an have them to rely on in summer an fall months.
The rich man relys on the chauffer to take the cook to the produce market to buy the weekly needs of the household, if something should happen that left this man without someone buying his food an prepreation, this man would starve within a week.
I ve been down twice in 30 years of marriage falling on hard times both times where temporary an the 1st time , prepared the way for knowing what to expect the 2nd time, I have to say that both me an my Wife was always happiest when We had just enough to get by, with some to bank on, than when working at top wages an oweing for actually more than one can afford.
if this economy was to collaspe or go into a downspiral there be more CEO, S jumping out of windows because they do not know how to deal with anxiety issues, if you have been to the bottom, You always know the only ways to go is either sideways or up. You cannot go no farther down, other than 6 feet.
Woodstock
July 2, 2009 - 12:43pm
#26
Now the DEA..I am not suprised
It is just that the DEA was originally created for ILLEGAL drug interdiction. Oh well , this thing is getting worse and our lives will be more difficult. I was just changed a week ago,upward, after talking to my pain doc for 6 months about tolerence to what I was taking. I can only imagine how many doctors are now gonna be way more conservative.
and the sad thing is, I don't think there is anything we can do. Hang in there folks and GOD be with you.
prisonplanet.com what a web address..and the truth
July 2, 2009 - 1:38pm
#27
I was wrong
...I was just a victimized by my PM doctor as a direct result of this nonsense related to a celebrity death. I stand corrected.
The U.S. media is putting out ( hopefully erroneous) reports that all oral narcotic combination preparations containing acetaminophen are slated for "discontinuation."
July 3, 2009 - 2:37pm
#28
Diprivan
was found in his possesion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol
Propofol is a short-acting iv nonbarbiturate sedative agent
July 3, 2009 - 4:48pm
#29
I had just read this too
Apparently, Diprivan is a medication that would normally not be found in a person's home. I read an article stating that when Michael was getting surgical procedures, he was given that (intravenously) It goes on to say that he had insomnia and speculation now that Michael was addicted to getting sedated in this manner. I don't know how true this all is, but now there will be an investigation by checking the state's prescription database.
If he had a private doctor staying there at his house, I wonder how this (if at all) gets reported "offically" ?
edit/g
July 3, 2009 - 6:11pm
#30
Diprivan
Definitely not a normal drug to be found in someones home. Used only as a sedative for surgical procedures. It has to be administered IV, so you would need a trained individual to administer it as an IV infusion, as once the infusion is stopped, a person wakes up within a few minutes. Used inproperly, Diprivan can be extremely dangerous, causing cardiac arrest.
July 3, 2009 - 8:34pm
#31
day after he died
the family moved his possesions out of the home..seems like it should have been a possible crime scene until a coroners report.
July 28, 2009 - 6:49am
#32
DESPERATION FOR SLEEP AND THE LENGTHS ONE WILL GOTO TO GET IT
Well
the moment of "TRUTH" is about to be officially released. ABC reported that their "unamed source close to the investigation" revealed that the toxicology report will show OXYCONTIN, DEMEROL, XANAX AND OF COURSE...PROPOFOL.
SO within hours of Michael's death some of us were not very far off and few if any of us ever heard of propofol.
No doubt he had tried every cocktail to sleep. For someone that was as bad as he was,... DESPERATION for sleep led to his death long before his time.
Now as to Dr. Murray, the state may file mansalughter charges. In Pennsylvania, INVOLUNTARY manslaughter is defined as when a killing takes place due to negligence or recklessness, without the intention to kill or cause bodily injury.
Well somebody Jackson or AEG or someone paid Dr. Murray 150K a month TO KEEP JACKSON ALIVE...basically prop him up so he could make more millions to pay millions of dollars)
and my verdict which is worth of of 1 cent is
NOT GUILTY OF MANSLAUGHTER (DUE TO THE JURY INSTRUCTION : BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT)
HOWEVER GUILTY IN A CIVIL TRIAL (DUE TO THE JURY INSTRUCTION : PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE) I mean with propofol...Dr. Murray's eyes GLUED TO THE SCREEN SHOWING HIS VITAL SIGNS or, someone, while he was napping or taking a break.
In plain English, Dr. Murray was a greedy soandso, who took the easy, greedy way, instead of working, went for the EASY MONEY
Do not take the easy way out. It will make things much HARDER in the long run.
Rest in Peace Mr. Jackson.
July 28, 2009 - 6:12pm
#33
Common law
...does not apply to those with celebrity status in this country. Yes, you're right mcs7, it will make things harder for the average joe.
$150,000 a month in addition to all his other income as a specialist physician. Think about that for a minute.
You'd think the guy would at least have resuscitation equipment if he was doing this in the home. Not even a portable defibrillator.
July 29, 2009 - 1:07pm
#34
Its kind of hard to say no to
Its kind of hard to say no to one of the biggest celebrities of all time. Just think of whoever your biggest idol is and then think about him complaining to you all I want is sleep. I have this stressful life and I never have a chance to sleep and relax because of all the pressure to perform and the people that depend on me. Even knowing the consequences I am sure its hard to tell someone no.
I am not saying its right, but realisitically if Dustin Diamond or Jaleel White came to me for help I would probably faint first after meeting such living legends and after regaining consciousness I would probably do whatever they wanted just to be a part of these Megasuperstars lives, like getting propofil to sleep.
I am 99% positive if Dr. Murray said "NO", then he would have been replaced in a second by a doctor that would say yes.
Even some of the people closest to him where then pushed to the side when they said no. This is a guy is not a regular human, when you are that rich and famous anything is at your disposal even if it causes their demise. Hollywood has taken a big hit with all this.
But I feel bad for all of Michaels fans because his death and tribute was overshadowed by the death of the legendary pitchman "Billy Mays" Just like Farrah, now Michael has been trumpted by an even bigger star and I am getting tired of every channel talking about Billy Mays this.... Billy Mays that.... I know he was the king of infomercials, but it has been two weeks and I still cant turn a channel without hearing a plug about Oxyclean and Billy Mays.
July 29, 2009 - 1:54pm
#35
I believe 100% that doctors
I believe 100% that doctors should be able to prescribe or use whatever medications are available to them whether it be according to the prescribing information or off label if the doctor believes that the medication will improve the patients quality of life. That being said heres an excerpt from Diprivan's prescribing information that clearly indicates that this doctor should have never giving this to jackson.
For general anesthesia or monitored anesthesia care (MAC) sedation, DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion should be administered only by persons trained in the administration of general anesthesia and not involved in the conduct of the surgical/diagnostic procedure. Patients should be continuously monitored, and facilities for maintenance of a patent airway, artificial ventilation, and oxygen enrichment and circulatory resuscitation must be immediately available."
However in the doctors defense he probably only read the very begining of the prescribing information which states:
Propofol Injectable Emulsion is an intravenous sedative-hypnotic agent for use in the induction and maintenance of anesthesia or sedation. Intravenous injection of a therapeutic dose of propofol induces hypnosis, with minimal excitation, usually within 40 seconds from the start of injection (the time for one arm-brain circulation). As with other rapidly acting intravenous anesthetic agents, the half-time of the blood-brain equilibration is approximately 1 to 3 minutes, accounting for the rate of induction of anesthesia."
Going by the general information pertaining to the drug I see no clear reason the doctor should not have used this medication if other sedatives caused marked excitement in jackson. IV lorazepam caused me to freak out and think the operating room was "dirty" and get really stressed out before the med fully kicked in. But if the doctor was fully aware of the complete prescribing information theres no way he should have used the med outside of a medical facility. Most probable reason this med was being used is it jackson received the medication a bunch of times with his plastic surgeries and had a preference to this medication.
I don't know . . . I heard heart attack., I'm sure we'll know more in the days to come . . Maybe he just had to "Beat It" ...
Rest in Peace MJ