A little history first so you see why it's my necessity and his addiction...
To start off I am a 25 year old mother of 2 and wife of a wonderful man who is currently on day 4 of detox from narcotics...
My History
I had my first Discectomy when I was 17 years old in the L4/l5 area... I recieved absolutely no comfort from this surgery... In return I was on everything from Morphine 3 times a day to 4 Perc 10/325mg per day for the last 8 years... After a recent accident my narcotics prescription was raised 2 (6 perc 10/325mg per day)... I am having Endoscopic Discectomy Surgery on May 14th to attempt 2 remove the herniated disc's that occured in the car wreck... There are times that I will go without taking the medication for days at a time to see if I have become chemically dependant on the narcotic... Much to my surprise it does not affect me at all!!! I do not have withdrawls like most of you have talked about... I don't know exactly why this is... But I have to admit I guess I am lucky...
His History
My husband on the other hand has been abusing Lortab, Perc, Norco, Vico, etc for atleast 4 years... We just recently got back together after a split because of his problem with abusing narcotics and becoming a "pillhead"... He has been off of narcotics for (4) days and of course going threw the lovely withdrawls, making him, at times, impossible to live with!!! Luckily I have medical insurance and am prescribed serveral of the medications that some doctors will prescribe you when you are an abuser of the drug to help with withdrawls (xanax, tranzadone, ultram) so he has been taking these (as prescribed) to help him cope with his withdrawls (mainly to sleep threw it)...
My biggest fear, that I know is a reality, is the fact that I know it is %@$$*## him having the prescriptions in the house (I always keep any of my medications that can be abused with me) while he is trying to come clean... It can't be easy on him seeing me take the medication, that I VERY much need and do not abuse, when he is overcoming his own addiction to abusing narcotics...
How do I help him fight his addiction when the addiction is still with-in hands reach??? Even when I am not giving into him and his addiction...
He has also asked me if it would still be such a big deal for him to do narcotics if it's not as often, not as much, get's a job (yes currently unemployed due to this issue), and doesn't spend all of his money on pill's like before leaving me to support our family on my own again... Of course I said, "No Pills, MEANS NO PILLS!" This was the condition of him coming back home... a condition I am sticking 2~
I am in the same boat as pizzicato65 where if my significant other would have been more understanding of the disease and accepting of Suboxone or Methadone, I certainly wouldn't be where I am right now, which is right smack in the middle of the drug court system. (Keep in mind that my extent in the court system before was one (ONE) speeding ticket...)
My mind is healthy enough (now) to know how much I've lost, which is why I want to help you and your husband save what you have before it's too late.
I think addiction is really dependent on the person. You say you can stop without having any withdrawl symptoms, and I fully believe that is true-- some people are more susceptible to addiction, which is a mind and body issue, and your husband seems to be one of them.
As a pain patient and an addict, I have a very strong opinion in your situation. Find a doctor who prescribes Suboxone, and get your husband on it. If you don't know how it works, it blocks the part of the brain that craves opiates, and if you do take any kind of opiate while you are on the medication, it drives you straight into withdrawl (and yes, I know this from experience). I must say, it is quite unpleasant because instead of gradually going into withdrawls, it hits you full force within an hour of taking the medication. If you take it correctly, it takes away withdrawl symptoms and keeps cravings away (or at least controllable) and will help him lead a normal life.
Because you have pain killers in the house, I would suggest Suboxone because of the way it works, instead of Methadone, as a safeguard for your medication. Suboxone is a wonderful medication when you take it the way you are supposed to, and you don't have to go to a clinic every morning to pick up your dose, therefore making it easier for him to be employed and lead a closer to normal life.
I totally agree with your "no pills means no pills" philosophy in regards to pain killers-- rarely can an addict just recreationally use. I also think that you should keep your pills locked up... I am telling you everything I wish would've been done for me, so this really isn't the addict-wanting-to-make-things-available talking. This is the here's-what-would've-helped-keep-me-out-of-this-situation person talking.
There's my two cents (more like five dollars). I hope things get better for you two, and remember, he is past the hardest part, which is the first few days. Getting him on a medication will only make things easier from here.
Good luck :)
I can really sympathize with your situation. I need to take Oxycontin as ATC pain med with Dilaudid for B/T. Until very recently, I lived in a wonderful and huge loft apartment in a carriage house in one the city's tonier "historic districts" and I had great neighbors downstairs who become very, very good friends. We did almost everything together. We even adopted our identically white kittens (hers a female; mine a male) from the same litter, and when I was gone for length of time, I would leave my kitty downstairs to play with his sister and be watched by Tamara and Ethan, the neighbors. After their tenancy ended but before they could get into their new place, they moved into one of my extra bedrooms as temporary guests, with, of course, access to everything in the house. After they left, I discovered that Tamara -- who was also my BEST FRIEND for years -- was stealing and selling my pain meds on the street. This explains how she was able to go to school since September without working. I also learned she was liberally taking my meds illegally and without prescription. Of course, nobody who is not opioid tolerant should be taking 80 mg. Oxycontins, and this no doubt affected her judgment. This left me asking for early refills, wondering how I would run out early, and even believing I must have been taking pills in the middle of the night whilst asleep. The ONLY good part about learning of the theft was that I figured out I was not losing pills or taking them when I was not supposed to. I am still remain DEVASTATED by the violation of trust that occurred here (in fact, I started crying just typing the above sentence). I tried to talk to her boyfriend, Ethan, who was supposedly my friend, too, to see if Tamara had a problem with these meds and needed help. I would have paid for treatment if she needed or wanted it! Instead, Ethan was the classic co-dependent and refused to discuss it, almost screaming at me that all I was trying to do was poison him against Tamara. I feel like I have lost what were my two best friends. So, my advice to anyone in this kind of situation is: 1. Do not have a "no tolerance" policy and be flexible as suggested above because even addicts doing well in treatment sometimes relapse, and there must an atmosphere in which they can talk about that without major recriminations. I would, though, urge a policy of "zero tolerance" (or at least, minimal tolerance) for failing to communicate honestly; 2. Keep temptation to a minimum by locking up your meds and getting your sig other a Sub script (not a methadone script as it can be combined with agonists by the addict). I still feel like the thievery in my house was my fault because I did not lock things up, thus increasing temptation for someone who was or who turned out to be an addict; 3. Be aware that even if your sig other (or guest or whomever) does not use opiates or cannot use them (e.g., Ethan gets sick on them), they still may be tempted to steal because they can get money by selling the medicine on the street. In general, be wary of anyone not fully functional, and by that I mean employed (if appropriate for age, etc.), socializes without major problems, doesn't lie for no reason or stupid reasons, and has a sense of balance in their life. Good luck.
Well now you get the idea how unbeilevable this disease is. Getting the narcotics out of your system is the easy part, getting it out of your head is so much harder. Actually there is no comparison. When I was a social worker for many years I cannot count how many relationships were destroyed by this addiction. And so many times I was told that he/she picked me over the narcotics. Nothing of the sort, and this will be a life long thing but I am not saying it cannot happen because it absolutely can.You might want to both go to a certified addiction counselor to start with. This can give you an idea of what you can expect Best of luck with you![]()
That is really a difficult thing to be in. I need medication for daily living but what I have read so far as in advice given to you by others, isn't half bad. Lock up the pills and don't take them right in front of him is what I would suggest. That is the most critical thing to do, I think. Like if someone is trying to quit alcohol, you wouldn't crack open a beer in front of them is what I mean.
Goodluck and write back to give us updates!!
I feel for you. I can only imagine what he is going through. I also am trying to get my life together and not use. I hate to say that, not use. I was given mine for migraines and then after 2years I misused them. Now I get through my monthly rx within 2wks sometimes before and have to have the mental absuse of where your next few weeks are coming from. I can't believe I have done this to myself. I knew people in this position and wondered how they got there. Now I know. I want to go on Subexeon but I don't think I can go through the weekened d/t's. I cancelled one appt for it last month and then methadone. That is not easy either. I have friends in the clinic and I don't want to ever do that. How can I do this cold turkey? Can anyone who ever has done CT help me or give me advice? Im willing to at least try.
You both are in a tough position. But I say with confidence that being an addict is a constant battle and people that don't have that addictive gene cannot and should not infer or believe they know or understand addicted brains. The word addict carries a connotation that is bs anyway. Brain chemistry takes over early when using drugs. With that concept in mind, approaching your problem can become a joint effort, a problem that you can work on managing together. If he wants to get high and/or hasn't reached the point of detesting his drug, than it may be a lost cause. But if he wants out of the narcotic cycle, there are meds that can help balance brain chemistry so life is livable without the illicit meds his brain craves. Smart Drugs or Nootropics are the future of medicine but big pharma and fda slow down their availability. But they are attainable, legally. Research research research. Hedweb.com is a great place to start and leads to more resources. I will say having his drug of choice in the 'cookie jar' is a real set-up, at least in the beginning. Is it possible to have them accessible but not in the home ie; a neighbor or somewhere close but not in the home? Maybe not, but I imagine that would eliminate one issue of his accessing them, but also speak volumes to him about your willingness to be apart of his abstinence. As trite as this sounds, the unit, team and partnership mentality is so powerful for couples. What is to be will be, but exhaust all possibilities if you are invested and committed to each other. Know you can't save him though and never let that follow you should it not work. If you both get through, know you were a part of that process as well. Warm regards and knowledge is power...
If you need any info or leads, I would be happy to provide or help in anyway.
I KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THIS SITUATION, AS MY HUSBAND AND I ARE BOTH ADDICTS. HE DOES HAVE A PAIN PROBLEM, AND I TELL MYSELF I DO TOO. I CAN SEE CLEARLY NOW, AS THIS IS A WEEK THAT WE DO NOT HAVE MEDS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT SINCE MY HUSBAND AND I GOT TOGETHER WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ADDICTED TO SOMETHING, STARTING OUT WITH SEVERE COCAINE ADDICTION...ENDING UP NOW, WITH ADDICTION TO PAIN PILLS AND BENZOS...WE WITHDRAW MONTHLY, AS NOW WE HAVE NO EXTRA MONEY TO GET EXTRA MEDS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE LITERALLY LOST EVERYTHING WE HAD!!!!!! WE LOST OUR HOUSE, CARS, JEWLREY, TV'S EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! IT IS VERY HARD TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ENABLING EACH OTHER, AS EVERYTIME ONE OF US REALIZES WHAT IS GOING ON, THE OTHER ONE EITHER DOESN'T CARE OR JUST DOES IT ANYWAY...
I HAVE QUIT PILLS A MILLION TIMES, AND I HAVE GONE BACK 999,999 TIMES. I HOPE THIS TIME MAY WORK, BUT I REALLY HAVE LEARNED NOT TO EXPECT ANYTHING...I THINK SOMEONE WHO QUITS FOR GOOD HAS TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPEN TO THEM TO QUIT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY TIME YOU REALLY SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING (OR IT COULD DRIVE YOU TO DO MORE). IN AN ADDICTED MIND, YOU TELL YOURSELF EVERYONE ELSE IS STUPID OR CRAZY, AND YOU NEED THESE PILLS TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE DAY, SOMEHOW WE THINK THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM WE WILL JUST KILL OVER, AND WE GET THEM AS SOON AS WE CAN TO AVOID WITHDRAWL. TRUE HARDCORE WITHDRAWL LASTS ABOUT A WEEK, SO WHY DO WE JUST GET THEM AGAIN AND START OVER? WE CAN WITHDRAW IN A WEEK.. WHY NOT? THE DR WILL GIVE THEM TO US...MAY AS WELL, NOTHING ELSE TO DO, THEN WE RUN OUT AND HAVE TO BUY MORE, AS TO AVOID THE WITHDRAWL!
IT IS NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER, AND AS STATED ABOVE, TO GIVE THE UTLIMATUM IS TO SET YOURSELF UP FOR THE FALL, PEOPLE DON'T CHANGE, AND THEY WILL NOT STOP FOR SOMEONE ELSE, THEY WILL STOP WHEN THEY CHOOSE. I TRIED TO GIVE MY HUSBAND THE ULTIMATUM ONE TIME WHICH ONLY RESULTED IN HIM SNEAKING AROUND LIKE A LITTLE SNAKE, STEALING MONEY OFF ME AND COMING IN ALL HOURS INEBRIATED. YOU MAY BE THE ONE IN A MILLION PERSON TO PROVE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE WRONG, BUT I JUST THINK THAT ASKING FOR COPLETE SESSAGE IS IMPOSSIBLE. I SOMETIMES HAVE ASKED MY HUSBAND TO STOP AND KEEP TAKING MYSELF JUST BECAUSE I AM NOT THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM, IT HAS TAKEN ME AT LEAST 5 YEARS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE BOTH HAVE A PROBLEM, I MAY BE THE ONE WITH A PRESCRIPTION, BUT HE IS THE ONE WITH TRUE PAIN, SO WHO'S RIGHT AND WHO'S WRONG....BOTH OF US. I AM REALLY JUST TALKING TO MYSELF...SORRY TO VENT! GOOD LUCK!!
An addict can never be a recreational user. I support your decision that he has to be clean in order to make the relationship work. You are in a way enabling his addictive behavior by supplying him with prescription drugs to minimize his withdrawal symptoms.
He needs to be in a treatment program. His chances of recovering on his own, even with the medication you are channeling to him are low. I have several patients with family members or other people in the household with a medical need for narcotics who are using suboxone. It keep the desire to use suppressed and if they do use a narcotic, they get no effect from it.
both me and my husband use i feel sorry for your husband how can he quit he nows you have the pills it's never going to work both must give up the pills i want to quit but i think well as soon as i get sick i'll find my husbands dope we start fighting it x*#&s we both quit or break up or we both become clean hoping for clean i love my husband we have been together for 14 years good luck



You are in a very tough position. I know first hand how hard it is to live with an addict, and I also know what it is like to BE the addict.
If you are really trying to make your relationship work, you both need to be flexible. I know in your mind that keeping him off of drugs will be better for both of you, and you are probably right. But at this point, if you give him an ultimatum, you are both being setup for heartache.
I would wager that 99.9% of addiction ESPECIALLY opiod addictions take many, many tries before the habit is actually kicked. If he does have a serious addiction, he will relapse. I cant guarantee it, but come on. If he is already bargaining a usage schedule, do you really think he is going to put it out of his mind, and leave it in the past?
If you have never been an addict, then you will never understand what the ultimatum of "pills or me" is. For me, I loved my girlfriend to no end, and I always said that I would never put anything above her. It has been a year now since we spoke. I was always faithful, loving, attentive, hardworking, as was she. I agreed to stop using, but within 3 weeks I was back to daily use. She had given me a zero-tolernce policy, so when she found out, it was over.
I am not saying that you are wrong to want him to be clean, but if you truly want a life with him, you need to be flexible. Prohibition does not work in most cases, and it will take a long time, and relapses before he will see "light", so-to-speak".
Are you opposed to him being on Suboxone or methadone? My girlfriend was, and we didnt last a month. Quitting narcotics is the hardest thing I have ever attempted, because you have to truly want to quit. If you try to quit for someone else, you are setting yourself up for failure, and both parties will be hurt. My girlfriend faulted herself, and believed that I cared more for pills than I did her, which was far from true. But, something always makes you go back, no matter how hard you try.
So by all means, help him, and be tough. But in order to keep you relationship, you need to understand that it wont be an overnight process, and keep in mind that if he does relapse, it is not out of disrespect for you, and you shouldnt take it personally. Be firm, but understanding.
If Anney (ex) would have shown some compassion, instead of an iron fist, we would probably be happily married, and I would probably be clean (from illicit use. I am a pain patient, on top of being an addict).
Good luck.