January 9, 2009 - 7:18am
This was posted at the end of another thread, but I think it deserves its own space for obvious reasons. I see people being fairly insensitive and often misinforming others with opinions that they state as fact about certain medications, and you can usually tell why people make the claims they do.
Please try and remember that just because you have "ten years of experience" with something (which btw is usually self proclaimed "experience" more often than not), it does not mean that you can come into a forum of any type and claim one drug to be superior to all others, whether for one specific condition or many. Likewise, you cannot label one medication or class of drugs ineffective just because you did not use it successfully.
It also does not mean that you are the foremost expert on what medications are good or, as one put it, "garbage". We are talking about medications here that will work for some, and will be totally ineffective on others as has been the case since the beginning of pharmacology.
Robert_325, you have posted in several Suboxone threads advocating its use, yet MANY people on this site alone condemn it as useless. Many of the physicians that I work with have prescribed Suboxone without success to several patients in both high and low dosages, once or several times daily, for widely varying lengths of time, and for addiction maintenence and chronic pain both. It simply is not going to work for all people. When the roles are reversed, and someone claims success with a drug that has not benefitted you or those that you know, you call it garbage. I am not trying to single you out, you just gave a good example is all, and ALL drugs carry some risk of side effects.
Tramadol, which btw is a narcotic albeit atypical and synthetic, is a drug that has worked extemely well for a vast number of people. (I believe the reason it is widely considered non-narcotic has alot to do with misinformation given to patients by doctors, which I've seen myself with one Dr. in our practice, and the false notion that a narcotic has to be a scheduled drug which Tramadol is not in the US, yet anyway...) We have had patients report much better relief with Ultram than with hydro- or oxy- codone compounds, and with a lower incidence of side effects, specifically in some older patients. These people boast about the "miracle" drug of Ultram much like some do about Suboxone. It is all relative.
When these statements are made we should all try and remember that discussions about medications and their efficacy are usually subjective. It is nearly impossible for most people to discuss medications objectively because they have personal preference based on what has worked for them and others they know. This is also true with physicians, to a point. This is the precise reason we have CONTROLLED DRUG TRIALS, to prove there is an appreciable group of people that would benefit from a given drug.
Just a reminder to those who come in and try adamantly to convince others on these boards that certain drugs are better than others, or are the "BEST" for a given condition, or that some are worthless and pointless. Please remember that just because YOU feel this way does not mean there is not someone else sitting in front of his/her computer reading a post in which you claim a medication that has given them their life back in many ways is worthless, leaving them wondering what the heck you are talking about...
Sorry for the rant everyone lol. Have a wonderful weekend!
January 9, 2009 - 1:13pm
#2
remember when
remember when America was tuff and we said what we wanted to and didnt care what people thought of us??
January 9, 2009 - 1:49pm
#3
Well said, MooreFeenI would
Well said, MooreFeen
I would like to add, for those that just can't resist, that there are probably PLENTY of unmoderated sites on the web that they can type till their fingers bleed about "the best drug".
January 9, 2009 - 5:53pm
#4
If someone does say a
If someone does say a medication is garbage or whatever they say that is just their opinion and they have a right to it. I personally think suboxone works if used correctly but if i had a bad experience i would still say it is garbage because that would be my opinion. Someone coming to the forum for a discussion is looking for opinions because the vast majority of us here are not medical professionals so all we can possibley do is give an honest opinion. Of course useless degredation of a certain med is pointless but if someone has not had success with it why not say so. It is up to the person seeking info to take it as an opinion and opinion only because since we arnt medical professionals we arnt giving medical facts just opinions. So to be honest i think this whole thread is a joke. It is your job to listen to opinions and suggestions when you ask for it....it isn't our job to change what we think/feel because it comes off too strong to your liking.
January 9, 2009 - 8:46pm
#5
Frk,
There is obviously a profound difference in people stating what has or has not worked for them AND why, and someone telling another person that a medication is useless because of they're own experience with the drug in question. People clearly come to this site often seeking advise or looking for answers to questions about medications they are unfamiliar with. The last thing someone who is trying a new treatment option suggested by his/her medical professional needs is to second guess whether or not the medicine they've been newly prescribed was placed here by satan as some would have them believe. That is why meds are discussed at appointments and the +'s and -'s are gone over with a professional.
Maybe you misunderstood. I was not suggesting that people do not leave honest feedback or share opinions and personal experience with other users. Isn't that why we are here? I was trying to remind those people, who are relatively few I might add, that coming here and stating opinions in such a way as to make others believe that no matter what it should never be considered as a treatment option is, among other things, irresponsible.
I should also add that there are many posts to say the least that I sometimes consider rather pointless, or a "joke"as you put it. What I do is either do not read them, or when I do, I don't respond. That seems simple enough. It appears that most people that read the post understood exactly what I was saying, and also understood what it was that I was NOT implying. Thanks for the response anyway, it gave me an opportunity to clear up what may not have been to others like yourself.
January 9, 2009 - 9:30pm
#6
Moorefeen
i am siding with you on this...3-4 posts going on at the same time last night slamming everything but suboxone with a link in every post was a bit much...it was edited if that tells you anything...i am sure the poster means well...he might even know what he's talking about..who knows...i got tired of reading the same thing in every post
January 9, 2009 - 9:47pm
#7
Goat,
Thank you, lol, I knew it could not be only me that was a little peeved...
January 9, 2009 - 10:16pm
#8
O ok I think i misunderstood.
O ok I think i misunderstood. I didnt read the thread of suboxone where i guess someone was slamming it bad or something. You are right we are all here for what you said and i guess some people do get a little carried away but they just feel strongly and arnt expressing it intelligently
January 10, 2009 - 12:54am
#9
A very good and true post. I
A very good and true post. I cannot recall how may times I was told (not necessarily in these room) how one brand name is the "best" while a generic of the same medication was much more inferior. More than one time I found that absolutley incorrect
Well written.........That's all I have to say.
KK