July 19, 2008 - 5:54pm
#2
.....why do u wish that
.....why do u wish that
July 19, 2008 - 7:01pm
#3
methadone clinic
DO NOT GO i just talked to a drug rehab she said that anything over 40 mg. u can go to sleep and never wake up severly slows down respatory system. she also said that 9 states have banned it, how are your teeth? if they are good now. they won't be in the future.so be pepaired for a lot of dental work same thing goes for saboxin. methadone is really hard to get off of my mom is on it .she noods off all the time. not to great to look at. it helps with pain and withdraw systems. but when u try to get off of methadone it takes months. call a drug hotline for yourself. goodluck.
July 19, 2008 - 9:46pm
#4
umm ive been on suboxone for
umm ive been on suboxone for over 6 months, im not sure about methadone, but suboxone isnt that hard to get off of if you do it properly. And I've never heard or read anything about methadone giving you bad teeth. If its really a side effect, it must not be a normal one...
July 20, 2008 - 1:03am
#5
Methadone
Laxman,
Methadone is absolutely useless as an aid to coming off an opiate habit. It is MUCH more addictive and pernicious than heroin or morphine and much more difficult to quit. If you want merely to be maintained on an opiate, then go for it. If you want to stop using opiates, then this is certainly NOT the drug to use.
I speak through personal experience, having been scripted methadone several times over a 30-odd year career in opiate use; my last programme lasted for over two and a half years, in which I managed to reduce from 80mg/day to 65mg/ day! Ten days in a detox/rehab facility sorted that out and I finally got clean with a brutal, rapid but extremely effective reduction regime. I didn't get a wink of sleep for 21 days, but, by God, it was worth it to get rid of this ball and chain of a drug.
If you seriously want to stop opiates then I would suggest a Subutex programme, often lasting about eight to ten weeks, followed by a couple of weeks on lofexidine and a sleeping aid, and then consider either naltrexone tablets or an implant, which lasts for 12 months. The detox on Subutex (high-dose buprenorphine) can be done quite rapidly. With methadone, you become even more of a slave to opiates than if you kept up your opiate of choice. Why not simply lock yourself into your room for 10 days and go turkey, which is a much better option?!
I would NEVER recommend a methadone programme to anybody. And the current trend amongst US doctors for prescribing it for severe pain is going to cause problems which ought to have been foreseen. If offered such an analgesic course, PLEASE refuse it in favour of something like oxycodone or fentanyl patches, which are much easier to taper and quit when no longer required. Methadone is only going to cause you severe dependence problems, good analgesic though it may be.
Gaucho
"NEVER ingest anything unless you are 100% sure what it is."
July 21, 2008 - 9:42am
#6
mdone
ok first off methadone is just like any other fairly strong opiate like morphine. its No different. it will do all the same things the drugs you all are taking will do, slow breathing etc. And the thing about the TEETH is a MYTH! The reason people get tooth probs is because one thing it does do is gives u a sweet tooth so you are always eating sugaryjunk foods. It does not get into your bones, its just another opi. And getting off it isnt hard if u do it the right way and ween off slowly. if you are on 150mgs a day and you get taken to jail and locked up, THEN it will be tough. the symptoms arent as severe as say getting off heroin, but they last a lot longer, like weeks. And if people that are on it are nodding off, then chances are their dose is too high, which they probably did to try to get a buzz, but when you are on a stable dose, all it does is make you feel NORMAL. Thats one thing ...when u join a clinic, they educate you for a number of weeks about all these MYTHS, to clear up things people hear on sites like this.And it is NOT more addictive than any other opi, because you dont get high off of it if u are at the right dose.
July 21, 2008 - 10:45am
#7
Well then let me be the
Well then let me be the first to tell you it's not easy to get off of. Is it easier than Methadone? Yes. But the longer you are on it (and you've been on it for a while) the longer and harder the detox. Please don't tell people something "isn't that hard to get off of" when you obviously haven't done it yourself.
www.opiatedetoxrecovery.com and click the Buprenorphine/Suboxone/Subutex forum.
Sorry bud, but you're in for a rough road. Good thing you didn't take Methadone.
Suboxone is great if you use it as a DETOX tool, not a maintainence drug. 7-10 days at 4 mg is optimal. You don't even need to take it every day because of it's long half-life (48-36 hours). The first time I was on it I only took it for 17 days, yet I had 2 days of acute w/d. I had awful chills, but thankfully no anxiety or depression, but others have reported those symptoms. After the two days of acute w/d I did feel better, but still had two weeks of chills and my body temperature was completely off.
The withdrawals from Suboxone (and methadone) are directly related to the time on it. There are people who were on Sub for two years and fought through hellish PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) for the entire next year.
You people should know by now not to trust anything the doctors say, because they've never been through it themselves. They say you don't get addicted or dependent if you just take as prescribed, but that's so far from true.
July 21, 2008 - 10:54am
#8
No high-dose
No high-dose anything!
Suboxone (Buprenorphine) is the most powerful opiate behind Fentanyl. 4 mg is MORE than enough to prevent withdrawal syndrome (some drs are still prescribing 24 mg like idiots). Not to mention give you a little buzz in the process.
7-10 Days at 4 mg will literally leap-frog you over the short-acting opiate W/Ds and you won't have been on Suboxone long enough to feel it's wrath.
Long-term or high-doses of either will only put you in a harder place than you are now. Trust the people who have actually gone through it.
July 21, 2008 - 11:30am
#9
Methadone?
I've never done any drugs or actually experienced it myself, but my husband was on methadone for over 10 years. Methadone clinics from my point of view are just another way to get your money...they bring everyone up on a high dosage and then try to keep them from coming down. If you do go to the clinic i would strongly advise you to get off of it as fast as you can, because methadone is actually harder to quit than any other pill. I have seen my husband go through alot trying to get off methadone and the ONLY thing that finally worked was a one year program...thats how long it takes to get it out of your system if you have been taking it a long time. With taking methadone, my husband would stay so sleepy and out of it that he couldn't even hold a job or carry on a normal life! So be VERRRRRRY careful with methadone!
July 21, 2008 - 11:30am
#10
Methadone?
I've never done any drugs or actually experienced it myself, but my husband was on methadone for over 10 years. Methadone clinics from my point of view are just another way to get your money...they bring everyone up on a high dosage and then try to keep them from coming down. If you do go to the clinic i would strongly advise you to get off of it as fast as you can, because methadone is actually harder to quit than any other pill. I have seen my husband go through alot trying to get off methadone and the ONLY thing that finally worked was a one year program...thats how long it takes to get it out of your system if you have been taking it a long time. With taking methadone, my husband would stay so sleepy and out of it that he couldn't even hold a job or carry on a normal life! So be VERRRRRRY careful with methadone!
July 21, 2008 - 12:37pm
#11
The "bad teeth" is not
The "bad teeth" is not from methadone. Before methadone was used for chronic pain as extensively as it is now it's primary use was for heroin w/d. How many heroin addicts have you met with proper hygiene? It is the cut and fillers the put in the heroin that also deteriorates the calcium. Not to mention they don't eat right or if they do it is sugars.
I have been on Methadone for 5 years for chronic pain and have perfect teeth. (Besides some childhood fillings.)
Disclaimer:
I am not a Doctor or Pharmacist. I may be able to help you more than either, but PLEASE seek a 2nd opinion from a real doctor.
July 26, 2008 - 9:38pm
#12
.....well i found out alot
.....well i found out alot of more info...my uncle is a Doc and i doubt he would steer me in the wrong direction...ive been on bueps. before and they just dident work...ive taken methadone and i think withdrawels are differennt for everyone......fentanyl was the worst thing ive ever come off...when i plan to come off the methadone...i will...and ill take it nice and slow...i aprricite the advice...thanks much....lmh
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July 30, 2008 - 11:36pm
#13
MMT
Yeah you got the right idea. I been on MMT twice, once for four years and second for one year. In Central Florida they start you off at 30-40mg and let you go up or down 5mg a day for the first month. The first time I was stupid and got my dose upto 95mg. It took me nearly 2 years to ween off. The second time I was smart and went down and stabalized at 25mg which held me just fine. It only took me 3 months to get down to 5mg. Then I checked into a detox for a week to help control the opi cravings I was still expierencing. There they gave me Librium, Clonidine, and some sleeping med (forgot the name); and they did the job. Apparently Clonidine is excellent for opiate w/d. But anyways that was my expierence.
July 31, 2008 - 3:09am
#14
a preivous poster stated
a preivous poster stated """Suboxone (Buprenorphine) is the most powerful opiate behind Fentanyl. 4 mg is MORE than enough to prevent withdrawal syndrome (some drs are still prescribing 24 mg like idiots). Not to mention give you a little buzz in the process.""" is this true? so IF in fatc it is the step down from fentanyl, why isnt it being prescribed for pain to begin with?
July 31, 2008 - 3:31am
#15
MY ADVICE TO YOU FRIEND IS
MY ADVICE TO YOU FRIEND IS DO NOT START TAKING METHADONE IT IS MORE PURER THAN STREET HEROIN SO IT IS EASIER TO GET ADDICTED TO.ONCE YOU ARE ADDICTED IT IS HARDER TO COME OFF THAN HEROIN ITSELF I SHOULD KNOW BELIEVE ME,ALSO YOU HAVE GOT TO RESOLVE YOUR LIFE TO GO TO THE CHEMIST EVERYDAY AS THIS IS A DAILY DISPENCE DRUG BECAUSE OF ITS PURITY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF YOURSELF FROM TAKING AN OVERDOSE ANG FOR THE SAKE OF THOOSE GREADY FRIENDS YOU HAVE,IF YOU DONT STAY AWAY FROM METH YOU WILL PROBABLY END UP ON IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AS I HAVE,NOT PROUD OF IT BUT I AM GRADUALLY REDUCING IT TO GET OFF IT,BUT THATS BEEN 18 YEARS ON NOW AND 4 YEAR CLEAN SO IF YOU POSTED THIS POST FOR ADVICE THEN TAKE HEED STAY AWAY ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE ,THERE IS A SMALL WHITE TABLET THAT HAS A BLOCKER IN IT AND IT HAS A VERRY HIGH SUCESS RATE YOU SHOULD TRY THEM FIRST I HAVE FORGOT THE NAME METHADONE SHOULD BE YOUR LAST CHOICE
July 31, 2008 - 10:51am
#16
detox
whats up dac... i was also in a detox but it was BEFORE i went on MMT. They gave us the same meds, plus one for stomach issues which i forget the name, and that sleep med you were talking about, was it MELATONIN?? Cause they gave us that stuff too and it knocks u out in like 5 mins. Your body makes it anyways, but you can supplement it for better sleep. U can get it at like GNC or a place like that. And yes Clonidine is good for w/d's coz it lowers your Blood pressure, so you dont go so crazy w/d'ing. They didnt give u methadone in the detox?? even though u were trying to get off it? Was it atleast offered?
August 2, 2008 - 9:03pm
#17
dtox
hey mdonia,
I'm pretty sure the sleeping pill wasn't melatonin. This facility only offered subutex for opiate w/d. But they didn't put me on it because my w/d symptoms weren't severe enough.
November 21, 2009 - 11:11am
#18
LOCO4NORCO
Yes - suboxone is one of if not the most powerful
Dr Jeffrey Junig (use to be an anasthesiologist before losing license to addiction - hes now gotten clean and become an addiction specialist) has a masters or PHD in neuroscience and is an addiction specialist running a rehab/suboxone center in Wisconsin
He runs a couple of websites:
Suboxonetalkzone.com
suboxforum.com
GREAT resources I'll post below the information on he posted at this address:
http://suboxonetalkzone.com/?tag=tolerance
When a person takes Suboxone, he is taking a ’supra-maximal’ dose of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat pain in microgram doses; the BuTrans patch is used in the UK to treat pain, and it releases buprenorphine at a rate of 5-20 MICROGRAMS per hour! One tablet of Suboxone containes 8000 micrograms! So whether a person is taking one, two, three, or more tabs of Suboxone per day, he is taking a very large dose of buprenorphine— a dose large enough to ascertain that he is up on the ‘ceiling’ of the dose/response curve. It is important to be on the ceiling, as this is the flat part of the curve (I know– a silly statement) so that as the level of buprenorphine in the bloodstream drops, the opiate potency remains constant, avoiding the sensation of a decreasing effect which would cause cravings.
I have read and heard differing opinions on the dose that gets one to the ‘ceiling’ but from everything I have seen the maximal opiate effect occurs at about 2-4 mg (or 2000-4000 micrograms), assuming good absorption ofbuprenorphine. I base this on watching many people initiate Suboxone; if a person with a low tolerance to opiates takes 2 mg of buprenorphine, he will have a very severe opiate effect; if he takes that dose for a few days and gets used to it, and then takes a larger dose, there is no significant increase in opiate intoxication– showing that once he is used to 2 mg, he is used to 16 mg— and is ‘on the ceiling’ by definition. I see the same thing in reverse; there is very little withdrawal as a person decreases the dose from 32-24-16-12-8 mg, but once the person gets below 4 mg per day, the real withdrawal starts. This again shows that the response is ‘flat’ at those high doses, and only comes down below about 4 mg of buprenorphine.
The flip side of all of this is that tolerance reaches a maximum at about 4 mg of buprenorphine, and further increase in dose of buprenorphine does not cause substantial increase in tolerance. Tolerance and withdrawal are two sides of the same coin; the lack of withdrawal going from 32 to 8 mg of buprenorphine is consistent with no significant change in tolerance across that range.
So in my opinion, being on 32 vs 4 mg of Suboxone doesn’t raise your tolerance. But in regard to upcoming surgery, there is an additional concern. One issue with surgery on buprenorphine is the high tolerance, but the second issue is blockade of opiate agonists by buprenorphine– and this effect is directly related to the dose of buprenorphine. A person on 32 mg of Suboxone will need much, much higher doses of agonist to get pain relief than will a person on 4 mg of Suboxone– not because of tolerance but because of the blocking effect, which is competitive in nature at the receptor. When people are approaching surgery I recommend that they lower their dose of Suboxone as much as possible– to 4-8 mg if possible. Because of the very long half-life (72 hours), this should be done at least a week before the surgery. Then I have them stop the Suboxone three days before the surgery; it usually takes 2-3 days for significant withdrawal to develop. I say all of this to give a general sense of the issues involved; people should discuss the issue with their physician rather than act on what I am describing here.
November 21, 2009 - 1:51pm
#19
I don't think there is
I don't think there is anything wrong with Methadone or the clinics. Methadone at the correct dosage can control opiate cravings and even cravings for other drugs, but that is my own personal experience. The important thing to remember is even if they let you raise your dose 5mg per day, ask yourself if you really need more. It is best to just take what is absolutely necessary to get you through the day, and try to get off as soon as possible. Methadone can save your life, but if you let it, it can also rule it.
I am not a doctor. Always seek the advice/help of a professional.
December 2, 2009 - 4:09am
#20
think
some posters getting methadone confused with methanphetimine, this will cause teeth to fall out.
Woodstock
if there's anyway you can avoid it detox and get clean without it because i have been on it almost three years and wish i had never started.