Suboxone/Subutex (buprenorphine and naloxone) treatment.
Does anyone know if Suboxone/Subutex (buprenorphine/naloxone) programs are a worthwhile treatment as opposed to methadone? I have a friend that is seeking Suboxone/Subutex treatment for painkiller addiction, and hope it may help him. His habit of eating 200mg-300mg of either hydrocodone or oxycodone a day has gotten WAY out of hand. I use these painkillers as an effective part of my daily pain management regimen, and know the addictive nature of the drugs firsthand. The 3-6 pills I have been taking a day for the past 3 years (with reasonible dosage increases) make me feel "good", so I know he must be flying high! (killing his liver at the same time). Any feedback would be appreciated.
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marblek
I have a friend on it and he claims it great for him. I knew it was thebaine based but didn't know all that other stuff. Good info Pharma. Methadone and suboxone are fairly similar it seems so either type of clinic will help. I personally do know that Methadone helps you get off of high doses of oxycodone.
I can speak from direct experience - Suboxone is highly effective at eliminating WDs from Hydro, or any opiate for that matter. The best first step for anyone wanting to investigate Suboxone is to visit this site:
The site has a "physician finder" that you can use to locate a doc in your area that is licensed to prescribe Suboxone. I found a doc about 20 mins from my house and he was awesome.
Best of luck to all!
shadowbox
I have tried both methods, Methadone and Suboxone for my opiate addiction, I was on the [filtered word] clinic for 3 years and it helped with the opiate abuse, but then I just abused benzos, but last year I tried suboxone and have been clean for 6 months now... almost a year if you count my time on the medicine. I would def choose the Suboxone over the methadone.
First we got a Methadone clinic here about 4 years ago, and then Suboxone about two years. I've known people that claim it's worked wonders for them, and others that say it hasn't, even some that got deathly sick taking it while still opiate-dependant, supposedly following doctor's orders. The numbers I hear here for going on Suboxone from Methadone is, work down to 30mg, then supposedly its safe to start. That doesn't seem right to me. They do not give out Subutex (without the Narcan) around here. For straight off the street [filtered word] use, a friend of mine did well by taking it once he'd started about a day into withdrawl. It seems to work better on the lower habits, people on higher doses or with long IV habits say it did not work for them.
I tried Subutex several months ago (for 200-250mg Loratabs a day) and it worked great for withdraws, but the key is to find a doctor who has experience and knows how to wean you off the right way. I wasn't tappered down correctly and relapsed after the first day off of the medication. After going back to Loratab's for a week I finally found a psychiatrist who specialized in it. This time he put me on Suboxone. The difference is that Suboxone has Naloxone in it, which, when you are taking it and use any kind of opiate it will send you into severe withdrawals. You actually have to wait until you are in withdrawls before taking it for the first time. Doctors prefer that kind over Subutex because it will mostly ensure that the patient won't use while going through treatment, if they know it could make them sick. The Naloxone stays in your bloodstream for up to 72 hours. So even if you quit taking Suboxone on Monday...and you take any type of opiate on Wednesday...you will still go into withdraws. In my experience it is the best way to go. Treatment last only 2-3 months, and it's like you really have no choice but to stay clean, unless you want to feel awful. And that's what I need, because I seem to relapse out of pure boredom everytime I get good and clean. I have been in this treatment for 5 weeks and I don't even hardly think about eating pills anymore. It's great!!! Good luck, feel free to reply any questions.
[filtered word] addiction is one of the most difficult challenges a person may face during their lifetime. If a person finds they have a physical dependency to [filtered word] or any other opioid there is a solution.
Investigate this website: http://www.suboxone.com/
There are real benefits to Suboxone and now anyone with an opiate addiction can overcome their dependency in a matter of weeks.
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There are some treatment centers that claim to have the cure for opiate addiction. In Russia for instance there is a treatment model that uses brute force to beat addiction out of an addict. Whether there method is based in some for of Christianity or Political Philosophy or a perverted form of shaming an individual there is really no excuse for torturing people that are sick. In fact it would be counterintuitive to think that torture is the best cure for any illness.
Should we begin to torture people afflicted with schizophrenia? Or did we already do that in this country with frontal lobotomy treatment and a lobotomobile.
The only real cure is a daily reprieve. A daily state of vigilance and an understanding that alone addiction is fatal but together we stand a chance. Self-reliance is practicaly futile for the opiate addict. Self-responsibility is however a critical component to true recovery.
Do not be fooled into believing that there are medications that cure opiate addiction. Suboxone is not a cure for addiction it is treatment for overcoming physical dependency. Unfortunately physical dependency is not addiction. Psychological dependency is addiction!
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I have been taking suboxone 8mg-2mg for approx. 5 mths now and from the begining I have had disrupted sleep. Let me say first off though, I have no insurance and have been having to buy only enough to take 1/2 to 1 a day, sometimes 1/2 in the morning-1/2 eve, sometimes a whole in the morn. makes no difference I go to sleep then wake up a few hours later. (my script is for 3 a day) I was taking ten to fifteen 10/650 Lorcet a day. along with ten to twelve xanax then the same amount kloni's. I have been on a waiting list for about a month now for a free mths supply account of being unemployed and my income level. I was approved and recieved my first supply today.
On to the actual question at hand: My Dr. prescribed me 50 mg. Trazodone which did not help then 50mg amitriptyline which makes me feel really depressed. The only thing which lets me get a good nights rest is 1mg to 2mg (taken by 0.05 mg). I asked him to prescribe me 0.05mg xanax and his reply was that a lot of people in our suboxone group was asking him to do that and he couldn't .
If Anyone who has had this side effect I would be extremely gratefull to know about it. Also I would be very interested in Dr. Lois' opinion also.
sorry for the long post
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Yes, Marblek it does work, but coming off it is what I am concerned about. Have heard good and bad, but is that not always the case?
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Tried it once but the word is that it works wonders, and has gained a great deal of notoriety for its ability to interrupt severe opiate addiction, including [filtered word] and methadone addictions. It was approved by the FDA in 2002 for use as an opiate addiction treatment. Like methadone and LAAM, buprenorphine is potent (30 to 50 times the analgesic potency of morphine), has a long duration of action, and does not need to be injected. The buprenorphine products under development are sublingual tablets. Unlike the other treatment drugs, buprenorphine produces far less respiratory depression and is thought to be safer in overdose. Suboxone is not likely to be abused because of its naloxone, or Narcan, component, which will cause withdrawal symptoms if the medicine is crushed and [filtered word] or dissolved and injected. and in most states doctors are only permitted to treat 30 patients no more at a time for Buprenorphine.
My comments are my opinions based on the questions posted on this message board and should be taken purely as is and not as medical gospal. Please consult medical concerns with medical proffesionals. Thank You!