September 3, 2005 - 4:01pm
#2
Kirby I would like to
Kirby I would like to further reserch the results from witch you have posted,however my main question now knowing that they contain different ingrediants [ propoxyphene napsylate vs. hydrocodone ] would be do they have the same affects as eachother or any common similar affects? Also do you know of any lists witch have the names of generic and non-generic pills containing hydrocodone and/or Oxycontin?
Thanx,Help Is Appericiated.
September 3, 2005 - 6:43pm
#3
Hi daZED
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propoxyphene napsylate vs. hydrocodone ] would be do they have the same affects as eachother or any common similar affects?
Here is some consumer info about the two pain meds from Drug Digest:
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Also do you know of any lists witch have the names of generic and non-generic pills containing hydrocodone and/or Oxycontin?
These lists should help you out. The title of each section contains the generic name(s). If the med is a brand name drug, the brand name is included on the right hand side of the page:
Pharmer.org's Imprints of Opioid Analgesics
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical
doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to
provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by
a licensed MD or pharmacist.
September 3, 2005 - 9:59pm
#4
About Oxycontin
Kirby,Thank you For both the lists and the Drug digest Information.I found the list to be particularly helpful,however the drug digest information did not have what I was looking for,It included some the side effects of Vicodin as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion,pinpoint pupils,nausea ect. but if I am not mistaken which I could very well be,Isn't hydrocodone an Opioid? If so then wouldn't it have sedative/relaxing Effects? Are those not classed as Side Effects,but as just Effects instead? I'm not sure. Would Propoxyphene have the same Opioid Effects,It's not clear although I have seen extensive research on there similaritys. Also what is the Difference between Oxycodone and Hydrocodone? Are there -codones other than Oxy/Hydro? I'm sure there are but I haven't come across them quite yet.
Thanx for all the Help-
September 3, 2005 - 11:19pm
#5
Opioids
Oxycodone, hydrocodone, and propoxyphene are all opioids. Meaning that they all bind opioid receptors in the central nervous system.
There are 3 naturally ocurring opioids derivied from the opium poppy, these are sometimes referred to as opiates:
morphine
thebaine
codeine
Oxycodone and hydrocodone are 'semi-synthetic' opioids because they are not naturally ocurring but rather chemicaly derived from either thebaine or codeine. Oxycodone and hydrocodone are very similiar, the chemical structure between oxycodone and hydrocodone only differs by a single hydroxyl group -- can you spot the difference?
Propoxyphene on the other hand is a fully 'synthetic' opioid as its chemical structure is quite different from the opioids derived from the naturally occuring opiates.
Generally
speaking, because all opioids interact with the opioid receptors the
effects will be similar. However, there is a wide range of
strengths (how tightly it interacts with the opioid receptor) as well
as metabolic half-lifes (how long it lasts in the body).
Thus there can be quite a range of analgesic effect.
September 4, 2005 - 12:41pm
#6
Opioids
Thanks mitomac,that information was extremely helpful,I fully understand what I was questioning now.Also Thank You Kirby for the Information you submitted.
June 23, 2008 - 7:48pm
#7
Also found this site with a
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June 23, 2008 - 8:55pm
#8
I also thought Davocet N-100
I also thought Davocet N-100 is very very close stucturally to methadone I thought years back I saw the chemical structure of both But I have been told by more than 2 people (one doctor,one chemist) that darvocet N-100 is no better than asprin I beleive it because I have years ago been rx'd it and never helped a bit. I also was told by both of these proffesionals that OD'ing on N-100 is quite common because of the poor pain relicver in it and some take too many
June 23, 2008 - 9:15pm
#9
I am pretty sure the
I am pretty sure the chemical structure is very close to methadone as well although they deffinitely act a little differently. In my personal experience I think darvocet 100mg actually does work. I deffinitely think it works better than the normal otc pain relievers although not close to a normal opiate. I did know that it commonly leads to overdose but I thought it had more to do with the chemical structure than from people taking too many because they are weak.
June 24, 2008 - 3:07am
#10
Yeah, they are both in the
Yeah, they are both in the same open-chain class of diphenylpropylamine's. The same group as dextromoramide (Palfium in UK), diphenoxylate (Lomotil), and Loperamide (Immodium).
You are also correct about the efficacy of propoxyphene. There are MANY studies that conclude it is no more effective than aspirin, with a much more dangerous side-effect/toxicity profile.
Frkonaleash: As you stated, the OD potential comes from the fact that propoxyphene has little analgesia (for most, some people tolerate it well), while still having a fairly great deal of respiratory depression associated with it. The open chain narcotics (that cross the BBB) tend to be more prone to resp. dep., so this may be the structural reason you were referring to.
Couple that with high doses of apap, and the potential for cardiac problems, and you have the potential for danger.
December 2, 2008 - 6:45pm
#11
Drugs
I can understand how people can find prescription drugs appealing but what are the real benefits? Other than the fact that they block nerve receptors and one can feel a temporary relief from whatever pain that they are feeling it does not mean that they are good for you. I have yet to find a prescription pill that doesn't have any side effect or that does not result in you potentially becoming addicted to it after a prolonged use.
December 2, 2008 - 7:48pm
#12
what are you
trying to say? I take 4 different drugs to control my BP....I love that they work...I love that my pain meds help. Drugs are both good and bad all at the same time.....I always say better living through chemistry.
" I can understand how people can find prescription drugs appealing but what are the real benefits? Other than the fact that they block nerve receptors and one can feel a temporary relief from whatever pain that they are feeling it does not mean that they are good for you. I have yet to find a prescription pill that doesn't have any side effect or that does not result in you potentially becoming addicted to it after a prolonged use. "
December 2, 2008 - 9:54pm
#13
Better watch out Goat, it
Better watch out Goat, it sounds to me like you are addicted to your BP meds.
December 2, 2008 - 10:52pm
#14
thats
what i am saying
....and the side effects from withdrawl would be a stroke and a half.....i was really feeling bad when it was 200/118...
June 24, 2009 - 6:25pm
#15
Thank you everyone
I went online to see what the difference was between Darvocet N 100s and Vicoden. I had lumbar spine surgery 4 months ago and was put on Vicoden afterwards. After a few months, I weaned myself off the meds, but the pain was still pretty bad. At my 3 month checkup, I told the doctor that I was still having a lot of pain and he prescribed the Darvocet. I felt like the pills barely took the edge off and mostly I didn't feel any relief. My physical therapist keeps encouraging me to take the pills regularly because my pain is interferring with the therapy sessions. Now I know that the darn things are not much better than a placebo.
Again, thanks.
June 24, 2009 - 7:46pm
#16
Not only that....
they're slated to be taken off the market soon, (and have been for decades...)
Darvocet can produce neurotoxicity in acute overdose; something that makes it unique amongst opioids.
July 3, 2009 - 11:28pm
#17
It seems you are right,
It seems you are right, FeliksD. I saw on the news that there is a movement afoot to get both Vicoden and Percoset off the marked because of acetominiphen toxicity. I guess in a way I'm lucky in that I avoid painkillers as much as possible. I feel sorry for folks that are dependant on them.
Darvocet-N is not Vicodin.
Both are narcotic analgesic combo products and both contain acetaminophen (Tylenol), but the narcotic is different in each med.
Darvocet-N contains propoxyphene napsylate and acetaminophen.
Vicodin contains hydrocodone and acetaminophen.
If you want more information, post again. And I'll give you a couple of links so you can research further.