Has anyone ever seen these before?
They come in blister packs of 10. Here are pictures:

back of blister pack:

Anyone have any experience with these? I have never heard of adding apap to any oxy over 15mg.
Just in case you can't read the first picture it says:
Oxycodone Hydrochloride & Acetaminophen Tablets USP
Each uncoated tablet contains:
Oxycodone Hydrochloride USP 40mg.
Acetaminophen USP 325mg.
Dosages: As Directed by the Physician
Store in cool, dark & dry place.
MFG Qualis Pharmaceutical Inc.
Mfd: June 2008 Exp. Dt.: May 2010
Any insight?
I cant find much info but I think qualis pharm is owned by perrigo co and based out of de moine Iowa.....which makes no sense as I have never heard of a 40/325 at all let alone in the US. The highest oxy/apap combo I know of is percacet 10/650. I am very skeptical about this especially since they are immediate release pills that are 40mg oxycodone when the highest IR oxy that has a patent in the US is a roxicodone 30mg.
thanks for the response but this question has nothing to do with the validity of the site Deanna. They are actually the most reliable site on the internet and I have used them for around a year for all my medications. Never even a single problem and their customer service is easily the best I have encountered.
I am just wondering if anyone has seen oxy 40mg with 325 apap included.
That these are fakes because ive never heard of a 40/325 anywhere. Like frk said the highest I have ever heard is 10/650. But who knows try one or taste it to see if it tastes similar because you said this was a ligitimate website and you get all your meds from them so put your trust in them i guess.
Hi Reverend,
I agree with the other posters. There is no such thing as an oxycodone/APAP pill formulated 40/325 in the US or in other countries.
We cropped your photos to eliminate the website name so no future members are scammed.
And hopefully no current members will be deceived. No way because they are too smart!
Maybe check out our rules at:
http://www.pharmer.org/forum/pharmerorg-rules-and-guidelines/welcome-pharmerorg
Note the third rule, okay?
Well I just found this website that I think you are refering to. They do have pictures of their meds and the alprazolam tablets have brand names I recognize but this is an international online pharmacy that is carrying hydrocodone. that alone throws up a red flag to me as hydrocodone is very rarely made and exported on the popular IOP's. They also have a "roxycontin 100mg" I would assume it is a 100mg ER med but that is a made up brand name which also throws up a red flag. Also one of the funny things is if you look at the oxycodone section....right under where they are trying to sell the 40/325 and 80mg oxy they literally have paragraphs talking about every known oxy formulation from percocet to liquid oxycodone solution to roxicodone akak all the fda approved ones and it doesnt even list this 40/325 med as a oxy formulation when they are trying to sell it right above. Also anyone offering an "anxiety trial pack" seems very shady to me.
Overall their benzodiazepines appear to be legit at least if the meds reflect the pictures because the ativan, xanax, and valium appear legit however the hydrocodone and oxycodone coming from an IOP just seems shady. If you have never had a problem in the past then just try one....
yeah... i did not want the website being seen. i just didn't have any oher pictures. thanks for cropping.
i know that a bunch of people use this site and have ordered this product. just wondering if any of them were on this site.
Bet that isnt what it says it is.
Could say more but wont.
IMHO - There is NO way you should buy those. Period.
I believe you are mistaken about a trusted site. Get your money back! No such pill.
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it. Here in the USA we think in terms of USA products but worldwide is a different story. Perrigo is huge, not just USA but also UK, China, etc. The 15mg/APAP is for USA laws. Sure, a 40/325 would be C-II in USA but it still may exist. If there is such a product I would think the oxycodone is IR and not extended release.
Qualis is a division of Perrigo which is American. It's entirely possible to produce 40/325 percocet (although fairly pointless), yet these pills have no imprint on them (from what i can see) also the blister pack merely says Rx on it, rather than the typicall CII logo. I'd say fake without a doubt.
The packaging does look pretty though.
The packaging is PERFECT for Christmas
! Wouldnt even have to wrap it!
The packaging does look pretty though.
The packaging is PERFECT for Christmas! Wouldnt even have to wrap it!
Too funny! Love it and both are perfect comments, especially for this time of year. Thanks for the laugh guys.
Hmm wonder if they package it in pastel yellows and pinks for Easter!
You could TRY IT, heck if it comes and its codiene pills, you can decorate with it! No money wasted!
Seriously though- I posted a pic of foreign "hydro" here a few mos ago.... After reading the posts about what is MADE and not made outside the US, im pretty convinced that all you're buying from any foreing pharm selling HYDRO or PERC is a codeine pill of some kind/some strength. OF course i do not KNOW that as a fact by any means, but I wouldnt try it! These green ones remind me of those pink ones i posted, candyish looking, round, NOT an even color, etc....
Wow, jenius, I just tracked your history.
Sorry that I didn't recognize your user name earlier.
You posted the Scan Labs codeine tab:

Generic Name: Codeine, Acetaminophen
Strength: 30 mg, 400 mg
Manufacturer: Scanlab, Malaysia
Trade Name: Paralgin Forte
Type: Analgesic
Comment: Image courtesy of jenius. Reverse side of tablet is scored.
Flounder identified it and flounder knows exactly what he's talking about. He's one of the best without a doubt.
But now I'm concerned.
Flounder thinks it's possible there might be a 40 mg IR oxycodone and 325 mg APAP tab available some place in the world. But...experience leads me to believe the 40/325 pill is fake.
Then again, flounder can identify almost anything and certainly knows more about foreign and designer drugs than I'll ever know. So right now I have to believe him - maybe such a combo does exist.
Yeah I looked everywhere for that (orange/pink) pill b4 flounder figured out what it was, but after he told me, i did more research and of course without a doubt, it is what he said it was. WOW THATS a confusing SENTENCE ISNT IT lol!
Anyway, in a state of boredom, Ive been trying to find that green one up there, or any info on that combo,, I just cant see it being oxy ESPECIALLY if no one on these boards has heard of that strength. Im going to have to stick to it being codiene until someone comes up w/more facts haha.. Im staying on this side for now.
AND the sight i believe sells the Christmas-oxy ALSO has what those pink pills were supposed to be, id about bet my life if someone ordered them, you would end up with those pink SL pills!
*pink sl pills came from foreign pharm claiming them to be 7.5/750 Hydros.*
The most amusing things about these tablets are the Caution:Federal Law Prohibits From Dispensing without Prescripting sentence (there poor wording not mine) and the USP attached to the end of Oxycodone HCL and Acetaminophen. In order for a product to get USP, United States Pharmacopea, approval they need to meet certain quality,safety and benefit standards set up by this non-profit unbiased non-governmental agency. Only products that are sold or manufactured in the US will be marked USP. These tablets are not sold or manufactured in the US. Qualis which was bought by Perrigo only sold pediculicide products which are used to treat lice and scabies. Perrigo is going to be making store brand Rid and Nix from this acquisition. Also, if these products are made in the UK and sold in places like Pakistan like some other sites imply the packaging would say Paracetamol instead of Acetaminophen. If these are anything narcotic they will most definately be Codeine or Propoxyphene like the Neo-Percodan sold in Mexico.
The spelling on that sight would be enough to freak me out of buying anything.
I understand the OP has had nothing but good service from the sight & im taking the thread off the subject of identifying it, but I would love to know if he ever bought those 7.5/750s and I would love to see what you would get if you ordered them. Bet they'd be SL pinks lol.
This is stupid sounding but those green pills JUST LOOK like codeine pills to me haha.
Bingo!
Also, if these products are made in the UK and sold in places like Pakistan like some other sites imply the packaging would say Paracetamol instead of Acetaminophen.
You are absolutely correct. I overlooked that very important fact about APAP. In almost every country in the world APAP is called paracetamol.
Thank you very much, solo5010!
This is another product on that site that I find hillarious. They are sold out of the generic 7.5/750 but they have abbott brand Vicodin 7.5/750 however the photo they show is an obvious fake (link not supplied) of a name brand Vicodin 5/500 (real tablets) that looks poorly homemade. The 7.5/750 Vicodin ES tablets (real tablets) actually say Vicodin ES on them not just Vicodin.
I like how they use a guy that LOOKS like Rush Limbaugh w/his thumb up for the Oxycontin lol. Poor Rush, cant live that drug thing down.
Those labels peel off... its looks like they are Ultracet.
Either way, I got my money back.
Thought your web site was so reliable you would never question it's validity? Guess you were fooled. How did you get your money back?
This company does everything not to refund.
They will send you differant products rather then give you money back.
Nothing is good from this site.
In my opinion it is one big scam.
Stay away!
These have made their way to canada from India, They are no good from my experience. Seams they don't call them Generic, they told me they were from UK. Eather way. Don't waste your money!!!
Its some BS company putting labels with poor grammar and inconsistent drug language for the part of the world they are supposed to be from. The pills are Ultram. Get your money back or use them for Christmas Decorations.
THEY SEND YOU A PHONY DRUG, ASSUME YOU ALSO HAVE THE DEED TO THE BROOKLYN BRIGE, YOU KEEP BUYING ONLINE, THEY ARREST YOU FOR POSSESION OF OF A LOOK ALIKE, IF IT SAYS OXYCODONE , LAW ENFORCEMENT GONNA SEND YOU THRU THE WRINGERS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR UNTIL YOU PROVE IT S NOT A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, AN IF IT IS 1 THEN YOU BE IN TROUBLE FOR RECEIVING CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT A VALID SCRIPT
HI THERE WOODSTOCK!
This post is from Dec of 2008!
I too have replied to an old post & WingsAllTheWay brought it to my attention.
I just now read this & cracked up laughing!
EVIDENTLY THIS WAS A PRETTY HOT TOPIC! 
Bottom line is that no one should be ordering meds from anywhere outside the U.S. 9 out of 10 times the meds are not going to be legitimate. I am not looking down upon those who do. To each their own. Who am I to judge anyone?
Frkonaleash1010, foreign companies are owned by USA companies all the time, and the foreign subsidiary does not have to play by USA patent law as long as the med (or product) isn't sold in the USA and conforms to the laws of the country in which it's sold.
Tunafizzle, CII only applies to USA meds. Other countries, including Canada, have their own classification systems. You can't dismiss a med simply because it doesn't have a USA C-II label--particularly if this is a foreign medication we're talking about. Even Canada does not use the same scheduling system, and does not call things C-II.
Just to put the topic to rest...for someone who mentioned some speckled unmarked tabs coming from Spain that supposedly were fake...
those are Perduretas de Codeina - 50mg time-release codeine. Highly effective and highly sought after. Even though a med may look funny doesn't mean it's fake.
Look up Perduretas if you do not believe me - another legit med.
Look, I'm not saying these tabs are real or they're not. Just don't have a knee-*^!& reaction based on what you're used to in the USA, because it's a big world out there, and there are some countries that are actually 'free' where they let their citizens purchase meds without some jack-booted man in black kicking down their door.
Buyer beware, but it's through sites like this that we get accurate information as to what works and what does not.
Peace to all,
StandardbredHorse
IMO being a pain mgt PT for a long time and having numerous spinal surgeries , I myself would never take anything unless RX'd by my MD and filled at my pharmacy.Too many risks involved IMO and if you have a legitimate reason for pain meds then why not go to a MD who can help out in other ways besides meds for chronic pain. I take meds but I also follow a regime of walking, PT,swimming and what ever my MD suggests. Especially after all the tragedies that have happened, I would never take anything unless I knew where it came from, I also lost my sister 3 yrs ago to this kind of situation, so what you hear can happen to you or a loved one.All I want to say is BE SAFE.Nancie This is just my own opinion and would hate to see someone hurt or worse.
I know this is an old topic by now but something I didn't see mentioned is the fact that anyone Rx'd 40mg IR would almost definitely be a chronic pain patient. Given this it is unlikely the medication would be combined with APAP...
OneIR, I know it seems like an odd mix coming from a USA perspective, but APAP exists to poison people who take more than we think they should, by frying their livers. 40/325 definitely exceeds anything available in the USA, but this is a foreign med we're talking about - any mix is possible and even probable. The APAP, in small amts, actually helps to boost the oxycodone. In larger than 4g (750mgxabout 5 tabs = 4g), it becomes poisonous to the liver, as it also does when taken in larger than 2g doses over long-term for chronic pain patients.
In any event, it has nothing to do with whether or not the med is real. I'd like to know the same thing, and thus far all I hear is circumstancial USA-based prejudice as to why it 'can't'. It's impossible to tell since other countries have different formulations. Besides, your logic is poor: Because it's 40mg, it's likely it'd be a chronic pain patient, which means it probably doesn't have APAP. There's no reasonable logic there at all. To boot, many chronic pain patients DO take APAP, in small amounts for breakthrough pain, i.e., 40mg OC plus 5mg oc plus 325mg APAP, so it's entirely plausible that they'd 'bump' these tabs to help them work better OR make it impossible for addicts to liquefy the pure oxy and abuse it - even the tiny amount of APAP would prevent abuse. 40/325 would prevent it from being abusable like OxyContin, so perhaps the manufacturer hopes to avoid lawsuits.
I've just provided many explanations which are more plausible than the one that you provided. Do you have any counterarguments?
I don't mean to come off as abrasive, it's just there's already enough stigma attached to pain meds, and we don't need to add to it. That is a whole separate issue from whether or not these tabs are real OC, which is what we and the OP are trying to ascertain. I'm hoping they're real because I recently received some, from a very reputable company. No fake stickers, either. Still in the testing process.
Hoping to help the forum,
StandardbredHorse
Nancie, what you're saying is true in certain ways, but very naive in other ways. The problem is that most docs know there are certain types of pain that are intractable, in other words untreatable due to underlying cause, so the only course of action is to make the patient more comfortable via opioids/opiates.
If you were suffering and your Dr. never RX'd anything to bring to a pharmacy, I guarantee you'd be looking for alternative ways to alleviate your suffering, including looking to the health care systems of other countries. It's easy to do the right thing when you've got a good thing going. For others, IOPs and the like are our only option. The pharm industry in many countries is simply fantastic, and in most cases cheaper because of either price controls or lack of insurance shenanigans.
Again, consider yourself lucky to get that little permission slip from your Dr., because the instant it stops, you'll be glad there are alternatives. Oh, and it can stop not because of anything you do, but because your doc moves, retires, etc. and you're passed on to one of these anti-opiate med school robots who think antidepressants solve any kind of pain. Ride the mustang as long as you can, but be glad the rest of us are looking out for alternatives in case Plan A doesn't last forever.
Best of luck to you.
Peace,
StandardBred Horse
Hydro, 9 out of 10 times? You've got to be kidding me. I've ordered tens, maybe hundreds of times, from different sources/countries and haven't gotten anything fake yet. All I've gotten is great deals on perfectly potent medicines which are as advertised. If something is questionable or doesn't have great reviews, I don't order it. IMO, it's xenophobic to think that only the USA has good medicines. The entire world, including the UK, Canada, Australia, Europe, China, and other countries, has just as much a need for medication as we do (though maybe not as high of a rate). Please don't exaggerate and bring in irrelevant opinions. IOPs serve many of us well and we could not survive well without them - overseas meds improve quality of life and plug holes in our broken health care system. Please think hard before you state things like that.
SH
Problem with your theory, Woodstock2009, is that this is not a look-alike med. It's an unmarked tab, could easily be put in a vitamin bottle and noone would be the wiser. Of course you'd take it out of the pack that says 'oxycodone', whether it's real or not.
Oh, and since it's innocent until proven guilty, THEY have to prove it IS a controlled substance, not vice-versa. Please know and understand your rights under the Constitution as well as legal precedent. You don't have to prove a thing - they do, beyond a reasonable doubt. Please think before posting, especially shouting (all in caps).
SH
Last post on the topic: Pharm companies throughout the world are experimenting with different mixtures of different meds. 40/325 may not have been heard of here, but neither is 50mg pure codeine, which is known to exist. Please, let's take a world perspective on this instead of a USA perspective when it comes to identification and it will make this a much better site. It's why we have a 'foreign' section for identification.
I have plenty of knowledge of IOP meds, from Europe, Pakistan, India, S. Africa, Russia, Serbia, Croatia, you name it. I can identify many meds not from the USA. I hope to become an asset to the forum and to counter some of the bad info.
Thanks again, everyone. Hopefully we get a definitive answer on these. OP, how did these tabs work for you?
SH
Who said it "can't" be real? Nothing in my post says that...
The logic behind my argument is that many PM doctors prefer not to prescribe large amounts of tylenol to people who will be taking it many times per day for many years. Its unnecessary and doesn't help much.
APAP combinations do little to prevent abuse when people are determined to abuse it so I also doubt thats the reason for adding it.
Also, how does the APAP "help them work better"? According to what I've heard it does not change the way oxycodone is processed...
In what ways has my response, or anyone else's, added to the stigma of chronic pain treatment?
You seem pretty determined to defend these pills...may I ask why you are so motivated to do so?
why? why all the fingerpointing among other things?







sorry but i think that website is a fake, ive never heard of roxycoton 100mg, ive heard of roxycodone... or that 40/325.... it even says you dont need a precription. i also noticed alot of spelling errors on that site. just someone trying to make a buck