November 21, 2007 - 5:30am
Hello and Good Day,
I received some Generic Valium. But I have never seen this type of generic Valium before.
They are Round Blue, with nothing on one side and on the other there is a line thru the middle
with a Capital F at the top and a Capital Z at the bottom. The reason I ask is this is the first
time I have ordered from this company. Has anyone seen these generics before or have any
experience with them.....
Your Help is Greatly Appreciated...
Thank You.
November 21, 2007 - 7:58pm
#2
FZ Blue Tablet
This pill imprint has come up a few times here and on other boards.
Everyone thinks it's diazepam, so it probably is.
One person said it's made in Spain.
http://www.pharmer.org/node/7106
http://www.pharmer.org/node/5245
If you all have any additional information like manufacturer, definite country of origin etc. please post. And, for future reference, an image would be great. Thanks.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
January 19, 2008 - 11:23pm
#3
diaz?
No, it is definitely NOT Ardin, which I have only ever seen in its round, blue form with a score on the reverse and simply 'ARDIN' imprinted on the obverse side.
"NEVER ingest anything unless you are 100% sure what it is."
January 20, 2008 - 8:02am
#4
Gaucho, no offense but just
Gaucho, no offense but just b/c you have never seen it before does NOT mean that it isnt made by Ardin. unless you work for the company, how do you know?
i am not saying that it is or is not ardin diazepam. however, just b/c you havent seen it does not mean it does not exists.
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
January 20, 2008 - 12:39pm
#5
I know this is an old post
I know this is an old post and all but who ever said it was Ardin? Anyways, Ardin is a name of a medication not a company that makes it. It is a Korean version of Loratadine made by Korea Pharma Co. Ltd.
January 20, 2008 - 6:16pm
#6
solo, you are correct in the
solo, you are correct in the sense that there is a medication called ardin however you are incorrect in regards to what is being discussed in this particular post. gaucho was referring to this link that Kirby had posted earlier in this thread. there is a company in pakistan called Ardin that makes diazepam. they are a fairly well known company internationally.
ardin pharmaceuticals site is currently under construction (and has been for a while), however if you simply google "ardin pharmaceuticals" you will bring up tons of references that illustrate what a well known pharma company that it is. for instance, see this link for a geocites list of pharmaceutical manufactures in pakistan.
the link you provided is not relevant to this discussion.
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
January 20, 2008 - 6:38pm
#7
FZ Tablet and Ardin Diazepam
The FZ tablet is not Ardin diazepam. It may not even be diazepam, but since so many posters think it is, it probably is. 
Gaucho described Ardin diazepam as follows:
Quote:
its round, blue form with a score on the reverse and simply 'ARDIN' imprinted on the obverse side.
Here's an image of Ardin diazepam courtesy of lminor7:
Ardin is made in Pakistan (I think, per other posters).
The FZ diazepam wannabe apparently has several countries of origin per posters. So far we have Spain, Hong Kong and France. It would be great if we can definitively ID the FZ pill, its manufacturer and the country.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
January 20, 2008 - 6:58pm
#8
i have seen the blue ardin
i have seen the blue ardin imprinted tab before, however, my arguement (not saying this is right or wrong, rather just throwing it out there as a possibility) is that it is obvious that ardin is making diazepam; that said, it is possible that one of the other strengths may have a different marking however is still being made by the same company. it is also possible that there is a percocet/endo type of situation where the company may make a brand and also make their own generic. these are just two of the possibilities that allow for it to still be ardin. once again, i am not saying that it is but rather that it is possible. furtermore, that is the best lead that we have towards what it is. .
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
January 20, 2008 - 7:08pm
#9
Phisher, You're Right as Usual
Quote:
it is possible that one of the other strengths may have a different marking however is still being made by the same company. it is also possible that there is a percocet/endo type of situation where the company may make a brand and also make their own generic. these are just two of the possibilities that allow for it to still be ardin.
Phisher, you're absolutely correct. Sorry that I stated FZ is not Ardin.
Keep throwing out those possibilities and someday we'll ID that FZ pill.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
January 20, 2008 - 7:41pm
#10
Kirby
in all likelihood i would say that you are probably correct that it is not made by ardin; i was just keeping all of the possibilities open. as you also pointed out, it may not even been generic Valium.
hopefully someday we will find out what it is and who makes it:)
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
January 20, 2008 - 7:45pm
#11
I understand the whole
I understand the whole picture now as I follow the link trail. I see in the other thread where you point out that Ardin is diazepam made by Ardin. I was under the impression that people over sea's where just ripping gullable americans off by selling them tablets that have the same appearance as a 10mg valium. You know, buying cheap OTC pills and selling the online as an RX drug at a huge mark up. With the Ardin Pharma being such a big player in Pakistani generics and such, it furthers my suspicion when they dont have a working website and like you said its been under construction for quit sometime now. Now that I understand this post only pertains to the tablet imprinted FZ, I guess the Ardin imprinted tablets dont apply.
January 20, 2008 - 8:29pm
#12
Solo,you are definitely
Solo,
you are definitely correct in your assumption about gullible americans getting ripped off by switching medications or just flat out lying.
it is very easy for all of us to get medications mixed up especially when there are drugs with the same name that are totally different medications.
as far as the company ardin is concerned... well, i really have no idea. i am not up to date on the latest in pakistani phams but i have seen them referenced for at least a few years now.
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
January 20, 2008 - 8:29pm
#13
There is a company in
There is a company in Pakistan called Ferozsons Labs and they make a drug called Zenith, which is alprazolam. I wonder if its possible this is what the F and Z stands for? It could be that some of these IOP's are passing off 1mg alprazolam as 10mg diazepam seeing that these strengths would be about equipotent. I have sent this company an email seeing that there website is in english Im hoping someone in there office can read english as well. Hopefully I will get an answer, but its still probably another dead end.
January 20, 2008 - 8:59pm
#14
Solo,good find! it is this
Solo,
good find! it is this type of innovative thinking that oftentimes leads to discovery of what pills actually are.
[edited to insert a little more information]
here is another possibility of a pakistani pharma that may be harboring this fugitive.... http://www.efroze.com/productsD.htm
once again... the FZ are present and would kind of make sense (possibly). that information was gathered from http://www.druginfosys.com/AlterBrandResult.aspx?code=6920&packing=10350
another thing that i have tried is if one googles "pakistan fz diazepam" then there are some interesting threads (granted to some less than savory sites) that may shed some light on this subject. to sum it up, there is a thread that can be found from this google search that is a pakistani forum which says that "ardin and fz diazepam sell for x amount outside of pakistan".
i am confident that in time this mystery will be solved.
all thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical advice. i am not a doctor nor a pharmacist. all medical questions should be answered by a licensed pharmacist, doctor, or primary care manager.
June 12, 2008 - 6:48pm
#15
Ardin
www.druginfosys.com/CompanySimple.aspx?code=412&type=1-21k-
should take you to a place to check out Ardin Pharma.
www.ardinpharma.com is currently under reconstruction I think. But you can try it. Ardin are based in Karachi. There are many fake Ardin 10mg diazepam going around Scotland. One story is that they are actually white 2mg pills dipped in blue food colouring!
I will check out the supposed Korean brand of whatever it was.
Gaucho
July 1, 2008 - 5:51am
#16
I got 100 of these
I got them from the same IOP web site 100 two seperate times. I asked about them here is what I got back via email:
Hi ****,
Yes, they are made by Ardin Pharmaceuticals Pakistan. Generic diazepam 10 mg. Believe me they are not fake.
Kindest regards,
****
I joined this site just because I googled the pill and found what you all had found out so far so here is my help on the ID of this pill....RNB007
July 1, 2008 - 6:12pm
#17
they are not bad BUT do tend
they are not bad BUT do tend to wear off quite quickly ....
July 1, 2008 - 7:51pm
#18
FZ and Ardin Imprints
We have at least three images of the FZ tablet. Here is one pic, courtesy of vaiojoe:
Submitted by vaiojoe on December 3, 2007 - 6:16pm.
And here is an image of the Ardin tablet previously submitted by lminor7:
So am I correctly understanding the info in this thread - the blue pill imprinted FZ and the blue pill imprinted Ardin are both diazepam made by Ardin in Pakistan?
Or are both pills Ardin products but made in different countries? Or is one pill a fake Ardin product? And is anyone positive that both tablets are diazepam?
Or is rnb007 talking about the Ardin imprint even though the thread is mainly discussing the FZ imprint?? I'm really confused.
Thanks for any additional information.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
July 3, 2008 - 3:22am
#19
I am talking about FZ
I am talking about FZ imprint I assume like in the U.S. some pharmacutical companys makes brand name and generic and the FZ are the generic and the ones imprinted Ardin are their brand version.
I don't like people who take drugs... Customs men for example!!
July 3, 2008 - 9:29am
#20
Thanks
Thanks, rnb007.
Okay, so apparently both the Ardin and the FZ tablets are made by Ardin in Pakistan. You are probably correct in that the Ardin is brand name and the FZ is a generic.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
August 8, 2008 - 1:11am
#21
FZ Valium?
Hi all,
I also received 1000 of these bright blue FZ marked 10mg Diazepam, but many people have comented on how quickly they wear off, some seem to think they are and some don't.
Do you think they could possibly be Rohypnol (flunitrazepam)?
As I have seen ths drug described with the initials FZ several times?
September 15, 2008 - 12:17pm
#22
Hi i had these FZ Diazepam,
Hi i had these FZ Diazepam, they are generic and are made in pakistan
People i had got them for said they were ok, but had better, i was getting them cheap per thousand
Now i just get ROCHE 10MG in the blister packs, they are the best
February 20, 2009 - 9:17pm
#23
I too had fz
I had them checked in a lab at work and they came back as 4 to 5 mg diazepam so actually contained ketsmine!! Am wanting to stick to Roche 10mg but they aren't available in the uk at good price.. Cheers
(edited)
February 22, 2009 - 8:15am
#24
Where is the question mburns09
Can we source blister pack Roche 10mg?
Not keen on all these generics FZ or Ardin don't want to pay for rubbish if I can get the real deal here in the uk, Scotland even!!
March 5, 2009 - 8:22pm
#25
Hmmm
Id like to know where you can buy them cheap per 1000, and/or info on buying the roche brand cheap. I paid $240 just for 90 of those #%^*! FZ tablets, got ripped off royally, I only ever took the 2mg ones for nerves, and taking only half a tablet, I did expect it to work, but was VERY disappointed.
I have a problem with nerves, but the doctors in UK don't hand diazepam out like candy.
I placed an order with on online pharmacy and received those same valiums today. I have friends who also had them and said they were of good quality. I'll let you know myself in about 30 minutes.
"Help is only a medication away"