Hydro APAP Hiccup?

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I saw in another thread the following statement in reference to taking high qty's of hydro pills.

  "i bet your friends who take all of them hiccup constantly haha".

I am VERY curious. What does hiccuping have to do with taking Hydro/APAP?





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Hiccup! haha

>>i believe that was me who said that. What it means is that when you take too much tylenol, around the max dose in 24hrs of 4000mg, one of the side effects from basically poisoning/overloading your liver like that is hiccups. when i had to take hydro/oxycodone before i switched to the non tylenol version 15mg, i was taking the max doses of tylenol, why we switched, and a common side effect which i got was a horrible case of the hiccups. thats all it means, it has nothing to do with the hydro/oxycodone, it as to do with the APAP/Acetominophen

I am not a doctor, i am an experienced individual

Enigmuh




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Very Interesting

I have experienced this also. When I read it in the post I thought wow could my pill usage be causing the hiccups? It only seems to happen late in the evening and I never put the two together. Hiccups are a sign of APAP OD / poisioning? If so I am worse off than I thought. This is an alarming revelation for me. It does not happen everyday. But looking back I do see a correlation between the amount of pills I use and the occurence of hiccups. I am rambling.....this forum is awesome. I am always learning from it.



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How much are you taking a

How much are you taking a day?



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I am using up to 7g some

I am using up to 7g some days. I try to stay under 4g but I am not always able to. Today I will hit close to 5.55g and have not experienced any hiccups.



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well all i can say is be

well all i can say is be sure to drink lotsa plain water daily to help keep yur system flushed



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Warning

>> When your body starts slowing down and toxins don't get pushed through your bloodstream as quick because your heart and all organs (even thought the brain can remain highly active) the tylenol flow 'slows' down and remains in the system a lil longer, not that it doesn't break down at the same rate, because the rule with half-lives is that it dictates that the chemicals rate at which they breakdown always remains at a constant rate, however, it doesn't exit your body through your excretory system as quickly.(i like that name for it Tongue out) your heart beats slower, thus blood pressure and speed of flow is reduced as well in all other "tubes" in your body. That is why mostly at night  and near or during bed/sleep hours the hiccups come the most. Tylenol is not different from water, food, pills, anything...EVERYTHING IN MODERATION. Be mindful of the amounts, i can't stress it enough.

Remember, this is very important, In ONE 24 hour period, the MAXIMUM amount of acetominophen one can ingest is 4000mg, up until this point APAP is toxic at all to you and you can clean it out of your sytem like a breeze, however even keeping high levels of tylenol everyday is a strain on your liver. Once you pass that maximum amount tylenol/acetomenophen/APAP becomes VERY toxic, and is one of the more deadlier chemicals to your liver and its functionality, obviously the more past that point the harsher it is. If this has been a constant dose and are past that point more than a few times, hell even one time could ruin your liver. I heard a story of one guy who takes way more, everyday, and his liver is fine, i know people who went past it once and permanently hurt his liver. Everyone is different, but if you really have gone past a lot, then you should go get your liver checked. you should already be doing this if you are Rx'd high doses of hydrocodone/apap to make sure the tylenol isn't adversely affecting your body over time. That is why cancel the whole equation by taking oxycodone with no tylenol. started with 5mg's, then at 15mg, i believe next week my doctor will have me bump it for the last time to the 30mgs. I never have to worry about tylenol again.

I am not a doctor, i am an experienced individual

Enigmuh




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apap hiccup?

i dont think it has anything to do with the apap. in my earlier years i was addicted to oxycontin, theneventually smack. when i first started the OCs i would get the neverending hiccups. especially if i took too much, i would hiccup so hard it would eventually make me vomit and/or dryheave. well what im trying to say is, through my past experiences, narcotics cause hiccups, not tylenol... my two cents

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>>the oxycodone doesn't help

>>the oxycodone doesn't help either i'm just saying i've had that side effect, and so have many other reported cases of too much tylenol, it may not be the only cause of hiccups, i know its not good for you to be taking over the amount regardless. the point is valid, i'll check and make sure,ifim wrong than i'm wrong but don't take more than 4000mg is my main point

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Enigmuh




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not saying it has nothing to do t=with apap

im sure the apap has a little to do with it, but the point i was trying to make was that it si deffinately the opioids/ opiates as well, not strictly the apap, sorry didnt mean to come across as condencending or anything

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>>neither waas i my friend,

>>neither waas i my friend, it is hard to discern intentions when clarifying one's self, i never take anything personally, i take it more as i am learning. I find it hard to explain things because my tendencies is to use the clearest/best words to describe what i say, not necessarily what words are most commonly used among "regular" people. i am a perfectionist as well as a word nerd, so i tend to have a more scientific vernacular (like with that word) when i explain chemistry, pharmacology, and sometimes psychology, but psych i usually use common terms and words. i'm not trying to sound smart, as my brothers would put it, but rather use words with correct definitons, not slang, homie. haha. bballin, you are correct, and maybe i am partially wrong, but as long as somehow the correct info comes out, i'm cool with that Tongue out

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While you all are on the

While you all are on the subject, do any of you think opiates have anything to do with a constant runny nose? 

I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.




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The Sniffles

>> i know that some opiates have the side effect of drying the mount, my nose has been considerably dry since i started a consistent regiment,i think with that in mind there might be a strong possibility there is a side effect in a small population with that. But my opinion is that it is allergy season and if you have not had any prior symptoms, perhaps ther is something you are allergic to and are unaware of it.

How long has the runny nose been going on, just recently, or since you started your opiate regiment? Have you recently changed meds at all? do OTC congestants work? and last question, besides opiates, are you taking anything else? this is very interesting to me and i'd like to know the answer, let me know your responses and we'll go from there

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Enigmuh




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 Runny nose is one of the

 Runny nose is one of the signs looked for in Opiate/Opioid withdrawal. It is one of the indicators on the COWS (Clinical Opiate Withdrawal SymptomS)exam. I think this is because some opiates cause histamine to be released resulting in a stuffy nose. So maybe you need a dosage increase?



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GOOD LORD MAN

7g of APAP....please don't do that.....your liver loves you, and i know deep down inside you love it too. Seriously, keep it at 4g and under..and yeah solo excessive lacrimation is a classic w/d sign...i always felt like i had the flu. Ive never noticed having hiccups when i'm taking straight APAP, but have noticed them when i take lortab or whatever...AND Xanax has on multiple occasions caused me to have hiccups, just the xanax alone, I know this because several times when it's happened to me, I wasn't taking any hydrocodone/APAP....It sucks cuz they don't go away that easy....If you get them that bad...thorazine works for treating "Chronic" hiccups...Ray 

 

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Working on it

I am working on the APAP amount. I seem to be bouncing back and forth. I cut down during the week but then I overexert myself on the weekend and BAM I'm right back up where I was at. This weekend I took my ATV out in the woods and totally over did it. Went to 4WD city to the MAX on my Bad2WD. Deep water, trecherous terrain, steep hills, nasty mud. I know I should take it easy but I just can't sit around and do nothing on beautiful warm spring days.....I am 43 and my playtime is running out.