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Pain Medication while On ADD Medications I have a bit of a dilemma. I am suffering from a relatively nasty level of pain in my neck and back. The neck pain is a result of cervical facet dysfunction from an older injury resulting in chronic pain. This is documented from physicians throughout my medical record history as well. However, I am also on medication for ADD which is a stimulant medication and is a highly controlled drug. Now through my research I have found that there is no direct contraindication between the two medications, however would a physician find this unethical to treat both conditions with medications that seemingly oppose one another. Now, I am not opposed to using medications that are non narcotic, I just want something that works. Ideally I would like to have a medication that I can take that will control the pain on a constant level, as well as possibly having a low dose of narcotic like hydrocodone to take when the pain becomes extreme. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I would especially love to hear Dr. Lois' thoughts on this as she is a physician herself. I am scared to mention the pain to my doctor as I dont want him to think I am drug-seeking. I have put off the pain for too long and it is beginning to affect my ability to work at an effective level and thus causing difficulty in my life. Please help with any advice at all. Thanks! ( categories: Chronic Pain and Pain Management )
high as a kite
i dont agree w/ treating ADD w/ adderall, dexedrine, or ritalin. these are all powerful amphetamines and are highly addictive. i have a friend that is prescribed adderall for ADD, and O.C. 80mg's for pain. he is always high as a kite and out of it. there are other ways to treat ADD besides these powerful amphetamines. and for some people (not all) what's worse: having a mild case of ADD or being addicted to amphetamines? Actually, Ritalin
Actually, Ritalin (methylphenidate) is not an amphetamine. It is closely related, and both are under the umbrella of the same parent; phenethylamine. I think the distinction lies in amphetamine and it's derivatives functional CH3 (methyl) group, an R-group that methylphenidate does not have.
Definition of Addiction
Actually, I am not "addicted" to amphetamines. The definition of addiction is the compulsive use of a substance despite its causing negative consequences in your life. My life has improved since beginning therapy with this medication so I would not consider that an addiction. However, I may become dependent upon this medication. There is a difference in the two terms. You are referring to "pseudoaddiction" I respect your belief that ADD can be treated with other methods than pharmaceutical therapy and that is part of the treatment also, the medication is only a tool to help, cognitive intervention and counseling are also an imperative part of the treatment phase. I was not asking for someones thoughts on using Adderall for ADD, I was asking the ethical use of pain medication for pain due to previous injury with referral pain from facet joint dysfunction and cervical radiculopathy. Thanks for the input anyways. People seem to have very
People seem to have very strong beliefs about AD(H)D. Those who believe psychostimulant use is very beneficial, and those who would rather see them eradicated as a therapy. I do agree that ALOT of the alleged cases of AD(H)D could be remedied without pharmacotherapy. There are alot of kids who receive psychostimulant treatment, and alot of times, they are just being KIDS. It is crazy that some parents/doctors are so quick to turn to stimulants, when the child's "syndrome" could be remedied by exercise and diet change. But, thats what happens when you have lazy parents and malleable doctors who can't turn down the perks offered up by drug-reps. However, I dont think that all cases of ADHD can be treated with healthy diet, therapy, and exercise. Especially in the adult population. I think the approach in diagnosing the disorder is becoming more selective and structured, and it also appears that alternative treatments are becoming more common, but stimulants are definitely important for those who need them. I wouldnt say you are addicted to them, or even displaying behaviors indicative of pseudoaddiction either. If you benefit from the therapy, then it is no different than taking a multivitamin for optimum health, regardless of the fact they are scheduled. As far as getting a doctor to rx stims and narcotics, I would be cautious. It is not unheard of, I have seen quite a few patients filling prescriptions for ADHD meds and narcotics quite often. In fact, I was offered methylphenidate or amphetamine to offset morphine-induced drowsiness while I was taking Kadian. It was offered to me, but I declined, as I don't like stimulants. Not all doctors would go for it though. Have you tried Strattera yet? I have heard mixed reviews, so I dont know how effective it really is, but everyone responds differently. There used to be a drug called pemoline that was pretty effective, and I dont think it was scheduled (not sure though), but I dont know if it is still available (I think there were some instances of hepatoxicity). Good luck, hopefully you will be able to get the help you need. "High as a Kite"
1st--Want to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR this is NOT directed at/to the original post but, instead, to reinforce PharmHand's comment/s abt his friend spending most of his time "high as a kite." Before I DO, however... As a former nurse and a present "Healer" (having decided Western Med System too "screwed-up" to continue practic'g. Apologies to Dr. Lois & all the other equally compassionate docs out there), I would FIRST like to point out something all NURSES (but, unfortunately, few doctors) know. Pain Meds, when Rxd for legitimate need, will NOT make you "high"--IF you're "chemically dependant." If you ARE in pain, take meds you are regularly prescribed and DO get "high"--you're taking too much! (And that leads to increased tolerance, decreased effectiveness... and so, the cycle Chronic Pain patients are intimately acquainted with, begins... (NOTE: This does NOT apply to someone who, for example, breaks a bone, is given pain meds s/he is not used to taking REGULARLY. THOSE are the "lucky" folks who "fly" w/o a plane. <smile>) Now--on to PharmHand's friend... I have a friend who had a coke problem. She was caught, sentenced to time in a fed'l prison as WELL as rehab, had BOTH of her kids taken away by the State & subsequently spent time in a psych hospital. Upon her release, she went to a doctor, told him her ENTIRE med history (including her prior abuse of cocaine) and the doctor gave her a test for ADHD symptoms AND the ANSWERS needed for an ADHD diagnosis, then Rx'd her a scrip for Adderall (2/day). >>"This way, you won't need buy your drugs off the streets...," his "justification." <!!!> (As I understand it, ADHD is one of the EZiest "afflictions" to fake. Meds Rx'd for it are, essentially, "legal speed.") She fills her Rx for the month (60 pills) & proceeds to stay up, 4-5 days, "buzzing" about the house. By Day 2, she reaches a stage I've come to call "Adderall Psychosis," bbecause of her (by any definition, crazy behavior). Unless her husband forgets to hide HIS Adderall (120/mo, but he really DOES have ADHD & ONLY takes 'em as Rx'd) meds gone, she becomes TOTALLY paranoid, the 'b-word' and "CRASHES" for the next 7-10 days. (Yes, 60 pills in 4, 5 days.) But that's not the WORST of it! The two of them are now SWITCHING scrips. SHE takes the 120 & HE gets by on her Rx of 60. One would think she'd NEVER be w/o, right? WRONG! I've seen her go thru (as God is my witness!) all 120 pills in LESS than a week! In those instances, when she's gone thru all 120 of 'em, she'll then STEAL *his* (her husband's) meds, blame someone else for "stealing them" and use them, as well. Of course, he's well aware of what's going on--the reason he puts up w/ it? Too long to go into here. But what IS important, and I really hope I've gotten across, is ADHD drugs, when taken for legitimate need DOES help the patient focus and does NOT affect him/her like the "speed" that it is. (In the same way an ADHD patient finds coffee "calming.") So if someone you know SAYS they have ADHD but are USING it like a "speed freak" does, they've a VERY, SERIOUS problem. They're like a 33 rpm record album playing at 78 rpm -- but, unlike a record, will "burn out" their bodies YEARS before their time. (Their hearts may even, literally, EXPLODE!) So RIGHT ON, PharmHand! Keep up the good work! You ARE appreciated! May good HEALTH accompany your Wisdom, SilverHealer i can't speak on the
i can't speak on the combination prescriptions of these types of meds, but i thought i would let you know of other alternatives you may or may not have encountered. cervical facet injections have been proven successful in people with your type of pain. this, in combination with a TENS unit, can greatly decrease your type of pain without any kind of medication therapy. there are also other alternatives, such as neuropathic pain treatment (lyrica, neurontin, etc.) the best thing you can do is talk to your doc or get into a pain management clinic. they see your type of situation all the time, and can not only prescribe narcotics more freely, but can also do the procedures and alternative therapies i have described, plus much more. it's well worth looking into if your pain is true and disruptive to your life. good luck and let us know what happens! But sometimes Alternative therapies fail and waste money..
A lot of times, when alternative therapies are employed, it leaves the patient in pain a lot longer than a concise medication regiment. More likely, the physician who employs these, even though they are knowledgeable about the benefits of medication, are more concerned with addiction potential rather than truly helping pain. So at that point, the doctor is doing more harm than good. Other therapies might help, but when it comes down to it, NOTHING is quicker than medicine. This will strike a chord with Dr. Lois. Watch! For acute, severe pain,
For acute, severe pain, narcotics are often the first choice. In conditons where a diagnosis is not yet established, such as a person with abdominal pain in the ER, narcotics are usually not used until a diagnosis is established because narcotics may mask the progress of symptoms, and make diagnosis difficult. Some people with severe pain respond equally well or better to NSAIDs! For migraine pain, migraine specific medication is almost always faster and more effective than narcotics. I almost always advocate a trial of all appropriate non-narcotic therapies because the nature of chronic pain and narcotic use is that of tolerance and dose escalation. There is not a lot of "harm" done by witholding narcotic treatment for a few days or a few weeks. People get upset about missing work, or not being able to go waterskiing, but, that cannot be the primary medical consideration. If a person acts high all the time its prob because
If a person acts high all the time considering they are taking pain medications, its more likely they should stop. At that point, the risks are outweighing the benefits. On the other hand, lethargic movement and drowsiness are common side effects for Oxycontin so I don't know. I despise the press calling medications that truly help people in pain an epidemic. These medicines and active ingredients have been more beneficial than harmful for those who take them responsibly for their condition for more than 400 years which is much longer than this sudden bewildering conquest against Opiates. I have to disagree that if
I have to disagree that if people are getting high taking a prescription from a doctor that they should stop. I think they should talk to their doctor and decrease the amount of narcotics because obviously they are being over medicated. I have yet to get any eurphoric feelings but I think it is because I was being undermedicated and finally came up with an amount that worked and kept me alert although there will always be pain but an amount that I can deal with. There are many times in the month that I have an extra amount of b/t med's The documentation supporting
The documentation supporting the use of stimulants for treatment of ADD, ADHD, depression, and weight loss is excellent. They are also used to offset the sleepiness caused by narcotics! It is well documented that giving stimulants to "normal" people lets them preform better on standardize tests, and improves eye hand coordination! They do have some addictive potential and like ALL drugs should be used with care and the risks of use weighed against the potential benefits. If you have a painful condition and you have tried the usual home remedies without improvement: NSAIDs (motrin or naprosyn), Acetaminophen (Tylenol), heat, topical rubs (capscaisin, icy-hot, etc.), massage, etc, it is reasonable to tell your doctor that you are having neck pain. Your doctor is likely to recommend some sort of diagnostic testing, recommend PT, maybe a TENS unit, longer trial of NSAID, maybe a short course of short acting narcotics, or refer you for interventional pain management (especially for facet joint syndrome. While narcotics and stimulants can be used simultaneously, narcotics are not always the best answer for painful conditions. Thank You
Thank you for your thoughts. My physician laughed when I told him I was scared to mention the issue coming back up with my CFJ syndrome because I was afraid he would label me a "drug-seeker" He told me that he appreciated that I cared enough about my health to even worry about such a thing, and that he has some patients that will ask straight up for anything, even such controlled drugs as Fentanyl. He sent me for a series of X ray just to see if anything had changed, and is currently awaiting some of my other radiology reports just to confirm the Dx. In the meantime, he placed me on a short acting narcotic at a low dosage to be used as needed for pain, as well as Methocarbomol, and Meloxicam. I find the Robaxin helps more than the Mobic, but obviously the hydrocodone is more effective as it is a semi-synthetic opiate drug. I have been on long acting pain medications before and would rather find something that has less side effects but will still cut the pain. Opioids and Opiates would be the perfect medications if tolerance was never an issue, unfortunately it does result in escalation of titrating doses and stronger meds...Its an ugly cycle that I would rather avoid, but I will let the physician weigh the benefits versus potential side effects and make a judgment that way. Good for U!!
I guess I got to your topic too late, but I did just want to say that I have been in treatment for ADD for 12 years and I currently am perscribed adderall XR. Also I have been with my pain mgmt. doctor for 6 years and I am perscribed methadone and percocet(for breakthrough). Obviously I haven't had any trouble with my doctors perscribing both types of medication. The only thing I do want to warn you about is that the combo of a stimulant and a narcotic can create moments of mania (such as a bi-polar individual would experience) a feeling of being meglio-human (feeling that nothing can hurt you). You just have to be really careful to not take more of either drug then you are perscribed to take. I made the mistake of taking 1/2 more of my percocet one day to fight off a bad headache, and I felt like I could "rule the world" for about 30 mins. Good luck to you! :) Never Too Late
Yeah, I understand what you are saying. When I initially fractured my neck they put me on Oxycodone for the pain, and at that time I was on Concerta™ for my ADD. The combination of the two induced an uncomfortable feeling to where I discontinued the stimulant when I needed the analgesic medication. My PCP is going to refer me to an anesthesiologist for pain treatment, and he suggested that Methadone in a low dosage would help with the pain while not causing too much interference with the Adderall®. He also said that Nalbuphine injections would also help with the facet dysfunction, but at this point all he could really do was refill my pain medication. He did so, and put me on Norco™ 10/325 at 2t PO Q6H PRN for Pain. This is until I can get in with the anesthesiologist. yep i take em
yea ive been perscribed adderal xr for like four years now and i love it it hleps me focus on what im doing amazingly and every now and then i get frustrated and i guess bug out but i guess its a side effect and i also got this new perscription called vyvance 50mg but hose dont work as good anyone ever heard of the new pills i belive they just came out recently |
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