Diazepam: Nervous about a situation, help.

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I am a 25 year old biology/biochemistry major and will be starting pharmacy school next fall. I used to compete powerlifitng and the heavy deadlifts have been catching up with me. Whenever I turn to the left or right or stand for short periods of time my back feels like chronic pain, momentarily. It then remains sore throughout the day and I experience several more spasms by the end of the day, so I have to take it easy from then on out. My buddy fractured his vert. and was prescrived valiums, and one day he suggested I take a couple because of my situation (since they are for spasms, partially) and they did help, indeed. Here's the problem, I took a drug test yesterday and will the diazepam show up in the results? I am not prescribed this, but I also have a Dr. appt. tommorow morning and I am going to hopefully be prescribed these, because they did help and I felt at ease for the day. Any suggestions?




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Well first of all valium has

Well first of all valium has muscle relaxant properties and should help you with your muscle spasms.  It also is used to treat anxiety which you probably already know.  Valium comes in many different mg. dosages.  Do you know if yours was 2mg., 5mg., or 10mg.  For anxiety most doctors/psychiatrists will start their patients on 2mg.  twice a day when needed if they have no prior experience with benzos.  For your case, more is needed to treat muscle spasms so your doctor will probably prescribe 5, or 10mgs when you feel a muscle spasm coming on.  Normally from what I heard valium stays in the blood stream longer than xanax and can have a half life from 30 up to 200 hours.  I got this from wikipedia so It is a pretty reliable source.  Tell your doctor that you have problems with muscle spasms, but I wouldnt suggest that you state that you want valium in particular.  He might get suspicious that you are a seeker, but in reality you have a legitimate request.  Always be honest it works the best.  Good luck with your appointment



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I am pretty sure

I am pretty sure benzodiazepines do not come up on a 5 panel test although they do for a 12 panel. Also diazepam is used as a muscle relaxer for severe spasm as said above although usually they will try flexeril or soma or something weaker first. Also to figure out the dose you took the 2mg are usually white and the 5mg are usually yellow and the tens are usually blue but one brand is green. 



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What are you thinking!  You

What are you thinking!  You have been accepted into a Pharm D program and are already risking screwing up your whole career by illicitly taking valium!  Yes it is likely to show up on a urine drug screen.  I hope you are not going to a doctor who will just write you a script for valium without a complete evaluation and trying other appropriate treatments.

If you want to be a responsible medical professional entrusted with the disbursement of potentially dangerous drugs, start acting like one now!




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Dr. Lois cracks me up..

Dr. Lois, I once read an article in Drug Topics magazine that said 95 percent of all pharmacists had diverted drugs for their own personal use at one point in their career, and 40 percent of those had diverted PAPD's (potentially addictive pharmaceutical drugs) and 24 percent of those started when they were in college, so it sounds as if this person is just following the norm.  (JK) If you doubt me I can offer a citation for that information, it was done by a professor at GSU in 2001.



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Just because it happens

Just because it happens doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.  If you get caught diverting (controlled) drugs and have a state license the penalties can be career ending, even if you are never charged with a crime.  I can't get too worked up over a pharmacist who takes a few amoxacillin for strep throat though.



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well, valium and others in

well, valium and others in the benzo family have anxiolytic effects along with muscle relaxation properties; however, there are medications such as soma (carisoprodol) that are more effective.

 Since you are entering pharmacy school, you should do your own personal drug research and learn what you can prior to taking medications, it will help you in your career as well.

 

Also, be aware that most benzos can cause levels of amnesia and poor recall side effects for many people.

 

Thus, attempting to learn and memorize the depths of pharmaceutics, biochm, pharmacy practice, health care systems, and physiology you are going to need all reserves from your brain as possible.

 

Venturing to benzos during school probably is not the best idea. Try ibuprofen, heat packs, along with exercise and stretching first.

See an orthopaedist and get proper treatment.




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Have to agree with Dr Lois

Have to agree with Dr Lois on this one. Bank robberies happen every day but I think it's against the law.



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Non-Rx'd Valium bad idea

If you are serious about a career as a Pharmacist, then you must exercise more restraint than most people when it comes to taking a controlled drug that was not prescribed for you. This early in the game, you run the risk of not even getting to start. If you make it into pharmacy school, you have many long, hard years of work and study in front of you; if you did this same kind of thing during those years, you could derail a long train of your blood, sweat and tears and ruin a perfectly great career.

On the other hand, if the doctor you see tomorrow agrees that Valium is the drug of choice to alleviate your painful back and spasms and prescribes them for you, you have nothing to worry about. Valium is very effective for muscle spasm, and I hope you get the Rx. I also hope you think twice, though, before taking any drug, controlled or otherwise, that has not been prescribed for you.




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dr lois, how can you justify

dr lois, how can you justify a pharmacist taking amoxacillin for a strep throat, but not a pre pharm student taking a valium for muscle spasms, its both cause and effect, they arent taking them for recreation, its for legitimate purposes, one controlled pharm shouldnt be any less "morally wrong" than any other, just my 2mgson the topic

..not a doctor..just an educated individual. my opinions WILL be recieved under this pretense.



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It is the professional and

It is the professional and legal consequences that are different.  If a licensed medical professional takes Amoxacillin without a script, they are not going to be disiplined by the medical board or arrested because it has no addictive potential and is unlikely to be diverted, even though it is still a federal crime.  At worst (as a pharmacist) you will get a slap on the wrist and a stern lecture about the dangers of self-prescribing.  A physician may not even get the stern lecture or slap on the wrist, as the rules for self-prescribing seem to differ by state.  If you start taking any controlled substance without a script or have any evidence of addiction even with a valid prescription, you are subject to intense scrutiny, dicipline, and mandatory treatment by your state's licensing board.  You are also liable to arrest and prosecution, which may prevent you from obtaining a license, and will put your existing license in jeopardy.

I am not talking about morality, just common sense and good judgement. 




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well i think that since the

well i think that since the government took our constitutional right to medicate our selfs any way we see fit with the drug laws caused by the prohibition... we all have to look at it like it was just some random person took this med ("for a legitimate reason mind you") and didnt have the med properly dispensed to him. it is against the law no matter how you want to look at it!!! i don't think that just because you are a pharmacist or on you way of being one gives you the right to illegally take a controlled substance. don't get me wrong i do take meds like that as well i try to keep up on pharmacology and bio-chem but its all that makes me is an educated drug abuser!!

whats next? "man i have a bad cough!" "here take this morphine...its a cough suppressant."

 

just watch what you take man because there are a lot of people that lose their future because of this sort of thing! and thats my 2 or 3MG's




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Re: Loco4Norco's Comment

I think the main difference is that one is potentially addictive, while the other is not. I don't know of too many people who are addicted to Amoxacillin. 

That being said, it doesn't change the fact that either way you look at it, it's against the law. You just hear of a lot of doctors /pharmacists/pharm techs who take home drugs and end up losing the license to practice medicine in any form.

I guess it is all in how you view the situation. However; there is not a slippery slope of drug abuse when you start taking home amoxacillin. 

gtrplayer




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yep

val. is a narcatic. at least thats what my doctor said. soo be carful. he might not give you any. he might just give you flexarl soo good luck




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narcotic

Valium might be considered a "narcotic" in the legal sense of the term.  However medically speaking, the word narcotic comes from the latin word narcos meaning to sleep.  It is commonly associated with the opiate/opioid drugs such as morphine, oxycodone, and hydrocodone.  Do a wikipedia search on Narcotic and you should get your answer.