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Headache can be one of the side effects of suboxone.  You can use aspirin, acetaminophen, or ibuprofen for headache and other aches and pains while on suboxone.  Continue to take your suboxone exactly as prescribed.  The headaches usually go away after a week or so.  If you are troubled by severe headaches frequently, talk to your doctor about other anti-migraine medications which are also safe to use with suboxone.

Good luck with the Suboxone.  Please don't give up.  After taking 250 - 300 mg. of Vicodin a day after back surgery I needed to give it up.  I found a compassionate doctor who prescribed me Suboxone.  It is strong and works well.  Yes, there are some side effects (like headache).  Talk to your doctor about that.  The best part about suboxone is you won't go through the withdrawal feeling.  In the morning I needed to get up and take pills first before I could function.  I was going through withdrawal.  Suboxone stays in your system and builds up so you can wake up refreshed and without having to reach for your pill bottle before you start the day.

Suboxone gave me back my life.  It's a wonderful drug.  I didn't suffer an ounce of withdrawal.  Unfortunately, I'm now back on narcotics.  I was down to my last 2 mg dose of Suboxone and ready to quit all for good.  Then I was diagnosed with osteonecrosis (dead bone) in my knee and patellar chondromalacia.  I've been in terrible pain.  So I'm off the Suboxone and on Fentanyl patches.  I can't wait to be fixed because I want back on the Suboxone and kick all the narcotics....for life!

Take care!

L~JThank you all for your advice. And i wont ask for fioricet next week. I was thinking about methadone instead because of the huge price diffrence. 30 suboxone is 168.00 and lets say methadone for 200 count be over 50 bucks. I have No insurance. and the doc cost 200 the first visit. then 125 a week for anywhere from 1-3 months.  but ive read on here that everyone says not to go for it. (more addicting) i guess. but so far suboxone is working very well. I wonder who thought up this drug? and IS IT TRUE that you wont go through withdraw??  that would be REALLY NICE

Thanks again, John

I paid $200 for my initial visit to my sub. doc.  I now pay $100 a month and see him twice a month, and I have gotten my insurance to cover the suboxone.  I live in PA, right outside philly and have insurace thru the county and my doc filled out some papers for me, one of them was a health sustaining medication form.  I still have to pay a $3 co-pay because suboxone does not have a generic yet.  I pay $3 for brand name drugs and $1 for generics.

yes i can definately add more...its a good thing i read this huh L JOHN! Well hydro is totally right about the methadone.  Esp. the part about abusing benzos.  I am on pins but not abusing them, i developed severe anxiety when i quit using and started having panic attacks.  Anyway  methadone gets a bad rap, mostly from people who are uneducated about it.  IT IS AN OPI, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS.  ITS SISTER DRUG IS MORPHINE.  IT CAN BE USED FOR PAIN OR FOR ADDICTION TREATMENT BECAUSE OF ITS HALF LIFE, WHICH MEANS IT LASTS IN THE BODY A LONG TIME.  YOU DO NOT GET A HIGH OFF OF IT EVERYDAY, LIKE IM SURE U HAVE HEARD. YOU ARE NOT TRADING ONE HIGH FOR ANOTHER. YOU TAKE YOUR DOSE ONCE EVERY DAY AND THATS IT.  IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET TO A STABLE DOSE WHERE U FEEL GOOD AND BACK TO NORMAL, BUT EVERY TIME U GO UP ON YOUR DOSE U FEEL BETTER. 

  Also when you reach about 80 or 90 mgs, that is considered a "blocking dose"  so if u take another opiate trying to get high,  most likely u will not feel it, and u would have wasted your money.  Chances are that if you had as bad of a habit as you said, then your stable dose will be higher than 80 or 90.  SO it does the same thing as the subx when it comes to blocking other opi's, without having an actual blocker in it.

Another very important thing with methadone clinics that u dont get with a subx Dr., is mental treatment along with the physical treatment.  You can take all the subx in the world, but if u dont have any recovery for your brain, then its useless.  Mdone clinics assign you a counselor, (i assume all of them do, but im gonna use mine as an example coz my clinic is very good..and ive heard horror stories of other ones).

So after you start dosing and feeling better you are assigned a counselor that you see twice a month.  They help you with treatment plans, and are just kinda there to help you along the way to recovery.  They are kinda like a shrink in that they will listen to you vent about problems etc and give advice.  So with a clinic u are getting help where u need it ..physically AND mentally.  Plus when u first start the clinic you do orientations which each focus on a different topic of the clinc and methadone, which clears up all the myths about it u might have heard.  Then they have new patient groups you go to, which are kinda the same as orientations, but you are more involved.  Then after all that stuff is done you pick a group to attend weekly from a list of them.  they have a bunch of different topics for the groups, me..I go to the straight up Opiate Group.  Its a good bunch of people that help each other outand theres absolutely NO judgement of others at all, coz we are all there for the same reason.  Now remember this is all how MY CLINIC works.  

Also a lot of clinics will NOT allow you to be on any benzos, EVEN WITH A PRESCRIPTION!!!!!   Well fortunately mine does thank god.  But a lot fo them dont so make sure u find that out in the start.  So all in all its in my opinion the best choice for opiate addiction treatment and is a lot cheaper than subx.  I paid 300 for the intake and physical and all that stuff u do in the beginning, and i pay 105.00 a week for dosing, and that is it!  no hidden fees or anything like that.  This is of course WITH NO INSURANCE.  if u have insurance and they will cover it, u are good to go.  But again, a lot of them are different in price, but thats the general way it works for non insured people, u pay an intake fee, and then a weekly fee for doses.  

My clinic is not very strict, i mean u hafta follow the rules, but its not like a prison, ive heard some are pretty bad when it comes to that.     I guess it depends on where u are in the country as to how they run the clinics.  Im in Mass. and up here there is a huge opi problem, so there are a few different clinic chains up here.  And you can apply for take home doses , up to 6, so u would only hafta go to the clinic once a week!  u hafta be really good though and have clean drug tests and just be a model patient.  

When u r ready to come down on your dose, you do it real slow, so u dont really feel it until u get down to around 30 or 40 mgs.  when u do come off totally u will feel crappy for a few days, but nothing like being dopesick.  Its only if u get kicked off the clinic when u are on 150 mgs a day that u will feel like dying.  its not as intense as coming off H or oxys, but it lasts longer...so dont get kicked off!

So subx is good, but expensive, and u dont have the mental recovery to go with it.  which is JUST AS IMPORTANT!!!  so please dont listen to the stories u hear from people about clinics.  The only thing is...YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY OPIATE TOLERANT TO JOIN,  AND MOST OF ALL, YOU MUST BE READY TO COMMIT TO IT.  YOU HAFTA BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT, AND GO EVERY DAY, AND REALIZE THAT UNLESS U HAVE TAKE HOMES, OR SET UP GUEST DOSING, U CANT REALLY GO ON VACATION.  Back to the guest dosing...lets say u are going to Florida for a week, your clinic can find one down there near where u r gonna be, and set up for u to dose there for the week.

Allin all I have nothing bad to say about it.  Maybe its coz my clinic is so good..i dunno, but i would recommend it to anyone, as long as u find the right clinic.   Any more questions LJ, hit me up.  

That happened to me as well when I was on suboxone. I had to go to the doctor every 7 days I believe its all about the dough. The Dr. defently does it to make a quick buck because ive heard of other people getting a usual monthly script. As for taking the soma and klonopin in combination with the suboxone could cause respitory depression. So your doctor may or may not change the dose in accordance to the dose of the sub but this is usually not a problem if you have a tolerence to the k-pin and soma.

-JpD

L JOHN IF U SCROLL UP I REPLIED TO HYDROS COMMENT COZ HE MENTIONED ME AND THAT IM ON METHADONE MAINT.  I BASICALLY EXPLAINED THE WHOLE THING TO U SO U SHOULD READ IT SO I DIDNT JUST WASTE MY TIME TYPING ALL THAT.  THERES A LOT OF INFO, SO U MAY HAFTA READ IT A COUPLE TIMES.

Hey ljohn if you go to the first page of this site on the left click on resources, health, drug topics & more theres a section about patient assistance programs this should help you with your $$$$ problems. I was on Lexapro several yrs. and my therapist got me an application from Forest Labs (they manufacture Lexapro) as long as you qualify you can get your perscription for FREE !!!! Give it a try, got nothing to lose. Good Luck, Sissy

If you have insurance and the severe migranes keep coming on IMO You might want a MRI test. I had the same severe migranes and had  better insurance than I do now but I let it go until I had a blood clot burst in my brain. It is rare for young and middle ages people so I really doubt you have such a thing. Just a thought

hey LJ, did u ask the dr about the methadone for addiction treatment?  cause they dont rx it for that.  if u want it for addiction u hafta go to a clinic.  i guarantee u will feel better than u are now if u go on methadone!, PLUS it will take the edge off your pain, and maybe even help it more than that.  Plus if u are on klonopins too, you will feel fine.  u just cant abuse the pins on methadone, or anytime for that matter.

  As for the klonpin they make a 2mg dose. u had asked if they make a stronger dose than 1mg.  Im on 195mgs of methadone and 4mgs of kpin a day, and i feel normal.  no drowsiness, if i lay down to watch tv or something, ill prob fall asleep for a little bit, but when im up and about i dont feel tired or like a zombie.

So if u cant even see straight or type straight, i think u definately should make some changes.  find a clinic in your area and get on the list!  or if u know someone that goes to one, have them talk to their counselor or someone and they might be able to get u right in, thats how i got in.  good luck bro

Suboxone for pain?!  Such an unusual pick for pain since it costs SO MUCH and its main and labled use is for maintenance for recovering addicts!  Talk to your Dr. about Methadone since it would be a fraction of a cost and probably work better.  You know, I bet your doctor is already thinking about mdone for you.  Lets GET HONEST HERE ALREADY.

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im still having the eye problems. i dong know how muchlonger i can take this. my mom lost hers. so she doesnt have anything. and i took her to the mdone clinic today couse wed. the doc couse se us. ive been up since 3am and its a hour drive to the clinic. so on friday we will try it again. my suboxone doc even sujusted it. couse of the side effects. he told me to be CAREFULL and only take about 5-10 mg. a day or if they let me take home some 20mg tops. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I AM UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SUBOXON, AND I HAVE TO CLOSE M\Y RIGHT EYE JUST TO TYPE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU HELP

LUV\L.J

hey ljohn maybe talk to your doctor about switching to subutex if you are still having these side effects. It may have somthing to do with the naloxone in the suboxone. I know that not to much of the naloxone  gets absorbed but who knows maybe the subutex will help. Subutex is just Buprenorphine with out the naloxone. also do you get those pounding headaches?

-JpD

ok, so its been awhile me being on the suboxone, and kpins. all the side effects are gone, i dont even feel the suboxnone anymore! is this what its supose to be like? i have cravings for roxies and such becuase the suboxone isnt working or something but i know if i use a roxie it wont work, because the narcan in it. so what should i do? my doc is not going to be in this week. and dont know if he will up my dosage or what? im really worried, but so far so good, im back to being myself, i actually planted a tree today, before i turned into a pill head, i loved yard work.  and its all comeeing back!!! i love it. but i am not going off the subs yet. not for a long long long time/ it is the best drug to get of drugs IMO, ive tryed the methadon thing, the subs are less addcitioing to me IMO. if there were no subs, then i would do the dones but it is what it is.

so will my doc up my dosage or is this suppose to happen, me feel nothing? any advice would help. thanks yall, have a great day,

luv, L_J

this is my first time on this site .  ive been on hydro for about 2 years  an it time i need to quit an to be honest i dont no how an tryin to find the best way to if anyone can give me support an advise i would appr.     thankss an everyone be strong god is with u

For some reason the admins keep editing and deleting my posts when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them so i guess i have to repost it with more carefull words. We are discussing a med that cures addiction so what is so wrong about talking about addiction if we can talk about the pill that helps with it?

You shouldnt feel the suboxone at all it is just there to stop withdrawals. It takes some time for your body to adjust to it but then you shouldnt feel anything. Also The naxolone has nothing to do with not being able to take other opiates it is only there to prevent you from abusing the pill intravenously. If you take enough suboxone it is the bupenorphine that binds to the opiate receptors so highly that no other opiates will bind to it. You can still take opiates with it if you are on a low enough dose but that defeats the purpose of being on it and you should be on a dose high enough that you shouldnt be able to take other opiates. It is my opinion that the suboxone isnt there to curb any mental cravings it is just there to stop withdrawals and the physical cravings. It is a mental addiction that gives you cravings for other opiates while you are on suboxone because you want the opiate feeling and it has nothing to do with the suboxone itself. In my opinion it is more of the fact that you are no longer abusing the meds and want that feeling.In short suboxone isn't going to make you stop mentally wanting to abuse opiatesbut it is there to stop the physical cravings from dependency.

For over 10 years I used and abused Prescription drugs. I was probably the perfect example,the perfect blueprint of a RX addict. I abused, Percocet,Vicodin,Oxy and Ultram.  Ultram was the WORST!!!!  At its height, I was taking an average of 40-60 pills  A DAY! I spent all my money on doctors and Urgent clinics getting scripts'..  I tried numerous times to "Self Detox" . I tried tapering, reducing and kicking Cold turkey. My withdrawals were horrible. Cold sweats,headache,vomit,diarrhea intense joint pain and uncontrollable moving of my arms and legs,no sleep, muscle twitching.

The final straw was when I started blacking out and had 3 seizures. My parents, finally stepped in and made me seek help.

I think every addict, at one time or another must hit the "Wall". There is the "One Thing" that puts your addiction into clarity. After my parents took me to the E.R after my last seizure, my mother looked at me said   " I'm Sorry". She apologized to me because I was a drug addict. At that moment I hap an epiphany, I will either quit or die. Thats it.

The next day we tried getting into a detox or rehab. If anyone has tried this you know how hard it is w/out the right Insurance. Luckily, a counselor at a detox facility gave me the number of a doctor who prescribed Suboxone.I went to his office the next day. After a brief counsel, I was given a trial script of 10 pills. Luckily my Insurance covers the cost.  My first night was actually Christmas Eve.  I had not taken any Pain meds for 12 hours and was in a slight withdrawal, which your supposed to do. I took the Subox. and totally prepared for horrible withdrawal, tried to go to sleep.  After 45-60 minutes my withdrawl was better. The aches were going away and I actually fell asleep the entire night. When I woke up, 24 hours after my last Ultram, I felt fine. No withdrawals. Its been almost 2 years. I am on a steady regiment w/ the subox.  1 a day. and have been clean ever since. 

Everyone has their own addiction story.Some have lost more than I had, some go to jail, Detox or Rehab. Some get Divorced, unemployed etc,etc; However I was just about as bad as can be. It was either quit or I would die from an Overdose w/in 8-12 months. W/in the first 30 days of my Subox regiment. I went from a complete 100% Drug Addict to a clean, sober and healthy person because of Subox. Thats my story and I can firmly state that I am alive becasue of It. Everyone has their opinion and story. Some might not like it some may have different results. But, it worked for me and I would recommend it to everyone.

If you want to be clean and get your life back I STRONGLY recommend continuing your Subox. treatment.

I've had trouble making the change from 80mg oxy 5 times a day to two suboxones a day.  The temptation and cravings for oxycodone  have interferred with my suboxone treatment.  I have gone back and forth from percocet then back on the suboxone when i run out.  Reading this thread has given me more insight into my problem than the very expensive doc who was trying to help me.  My big problem is staying off the xanax when I'm on the suboxone.  I took 1 mg of xanax every night for insomnia problems for years, then was told never to mix it with suboxones.  I see that you were prescribed klonipins with your suboxone so I'm confused about this whole interatcion.  Is it possible to take small amounts of xanax while on suboxone and not die? I never liked klonipins because they took very long to work for me.  I'm soo tempted to take xanax for sleep problems tonight but was told not to mix.  I only took 4mg suboxone at 9 a.m. so .5mg of xanax shouldn't be a problem...right?  I guess we'll find out because i can't sleep or deal with not sleeping another night.  I'll post up tomorrow if I wake up..lol!

Thanks.  I took .25mg of xanax to be on the safe side.  Never took such a low dosage before but I actually feel tired and ready to pass out.  Hopefully that's a good sign that I'll wake up feeling better after not sleeping for a week.  I'm really learning the harsh reality of being a drug addict.  Maybe I should quit my job, leave girlfriend, and move to alaska and live in an igloo where there's no chance of scoring some opiods.  Living in nyc doesn't help a drug addict's recovery.

I've tried ambien and lunesta with no results.  Xanax is the only one that knocks me out for 8 hours.  It also hasn't buit a tollerance for me over time like all the docs tell you.

Wow thats crazy how different medicine effect people differently.  If I take ambien it makes me very sleepy and it always works.  Maybe you should try seroquel because it did nothing but make me feel crazy, so it should probably work well for you.

Does ambien create a dependence issue like benzos and opiates?

I do know of one person who said that the ambien stopped working as well after a while but dont know much about the chemistry behind it except for that it works similarly or on the same receptor as benzos.....perhaps other people know more on the subject

You will definitely go through withdrawals when you stop taking it if you stop suddenly. I have used suboxone many times for a detox/taper kinda thing no more than two weeks taking as little as possible and then tapering down 2mg per day from whatever dose i was taking to prevent withdrawals. The only problem with this is its very easy to relapse so if you dont ever plan on touching opiates again then I would deffinitely take as little as possible to stop withdrawals till your ready to stop or just slowly taper yourself down early. You can come off it whenever you want but I would definitely taper down and not stop suddenly because you will have withdrawals if you just stop taking it.