Generics

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It amazes me that there are so many postings about what generics can and can not have. I do admit that I have found that certain ones work better than others for me, not sure why. I was on the FDA site the other day and found this so I thought I would throw it out there.

Direct copy from the FDA site

"Generic Drug
A generic drug is the same as a brand name drug in dosage, safety, strength, how it is taken, quality, performance, and intended use. Before approving a generic drug product, FDA requires many rigorous tests and procedures to assure that the generic drug can be substituted for the brand name drug. The FDA bases evaluations of substitutability, or "therapeutic equivalence," of generic drugs on scientific evaluations. By law, a generic drug product must contain the identical amounts of the same active ingredient(s) as the brand name product. Drug products evaluated as "therapeutically equivalent" can be expected to have equal effect and no difference when substituted for the brand name product."




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for real...

 ask any pharmacist....grant you some cheapo generics might be a bit "off" but for the most part go generic.

 

 

 I am not a Dr. I just play one on tv.




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Somehow over the years there

Somehow over the years there was a myth that generics were allowed to have a 20% difference than the brand name. that might be so with the fillers or dyes but certainly not the active ingredient. Once the generic get's FDA approval it is up to that company to keep it that way. This is what I have read, and I certainly am no chemist. Is there a generic drug company that do not follow he FDA rules? I don't know,could be.   



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sure

 here is one that advertises on this site...you must be logged off to see the ad..its the fastin one..

 

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2008/atlanta081808.html

 

 

 I am not a Dr. I just play one on tv.




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I was lead to believe that

I was lead to believe that the active ingredient in the generics must be 100% the same as the brand but i always thought it was the inactive fillers and binders that can have the 20% difference which in theory could affect absorption rates and longevity of the med. Although i do agree that when everyone is saying "blank" is a crappy generic is all in their head because maybe they had a full meal before it or something and it didnt work good. I noticed that when i was abusing meds i thought the more colorfull ones worked better....and then later realized it was just the appearance and they all work the same relatively



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The only time I have noticed

The only time I have noticed a difference is with the generic Ambien. I know it sounds crazy but the generic Ambien does not work as well for me as the name brand. Other than that I ALWAYS go generic.

KK



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 It is true that a generic

 It is true that a generic product must contain the same amount of active ingredient but it having the same amount of active ingredient doesnt necessarily mean that it is bioequivalent. I will try to explain how I understand it after the quote from the FDA, so here is what the FDA uses to calculate bioequivalence.

 "FDA considers a test product (generic) to be bioequivalent to a reference product (name brand) if the 90% confidence interval of the geometric mean ratio of AUC and Cmax (blood concentration of active ingredient) between the test and reference fall within 80-120%"

 Basically the bioequivalency test needs to prove with a 90% certainty that the Cmax, AUC & Tmax levels do not vary more than +/- 20% from the reference product. The +/-20% blood concentration (Cmax) or time it takes to achieve said concentration (Tmax) whether it be on the low end or high end is usually so minute that the end user wont notice any difference.

 All this aside there are going to be that small percentage of factories/companies that are greedy, just flat out lazy or where honest mistakes happen and will still have no problem passing on an inferior product and in some instances giving the FDA falsified test samples to cover there butt. There are plenty of records for a lot of really big pharma companies such as Mallinckrodt,Acatvis and Qualitest/Vintage etc. where they were putting out either sub-potent or super-potent products. Usually ending up in recall but I highly doubt they catch all the mistakes that happen.




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Solo, I understand that

Solo, I understand that there will be laziness with some generics but I just cannot understand a generic company selling it's brand of a narcotic with more than the amount of active ingedient knowingly. That would open huge class action civil suit's and possible criminal charges brought against certain people inside the company if people overdosed. I am not a lawyer but it makes sense to me



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Generics

For the most part, I think generics are the same as the brand names; However my pain doc insists that I get the brand name for my Oxycontin 60mg. He says the generic does not last or work as well, also here soon, pharmacies will not be aloud to give out the generic for Oxycontin. Right now they are just aloud to get rid of the rest of the generics they have left on the shelf for this med. As far as other pain meds like Percocet or Roxicodone, etc. generic is fine.



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First of all we arnt talking

First of all we arnt talking about just narcotics here. Also just to go along with the discussion....if a pharm company were to pass meds that were above or below in active ingredient.....lets use oxycodone as a example....they are manufacturing 30mg oxycodone tablets and a batch comes through that is 29.5mg and another is 30.5mg...yes one is below and one is above what it should be but it isnt going to cause an overdose with an extra half a milligram. In an instance like this i could see a company just passing them through and perhaps falsifying documents to save money. I highly doubt they would try to get away with it if there was a larger error in the manufacturing process that would actually cause an overdose but for a slight difference that wouldnt have any noticeable effect I can deffinitely see them doing that.

and to the person who said your doctor tells you to get brand name Oxycontin over generics.....have fun trying to get the generics because they were all discontinued so you cant get anything but brand name anyway. Also the 60mg is a new dose and there was never a generic for it to begin with.




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I agree with the mg example mentioned by frkonaleash1010

My doc just switched me from the 40mg OC to the 60 mg OC. The 40 mg OC I did notice a difference from brand to generic, and he also used to had to write "medically nec." on the script for me to get the brand otherwise the pharmacy would give me the gen. automatically. Now, for my most recent script he gave me the 60 mg and they automatically gave me the brand name, but yet I still had to pay the higher copay even though there is no generic available? And the pharmasist wouldn't really give me any info on why they took the generics away from the other mg's - just something to do with the patent? As far as antibiotics, anti-depressants, allergy meds., and things like that I haven't noticed any difference and I don't know if I would notice a difference if there was a slight accidential mg difference in these either, prob not. Does anyone have any more info on why they discontinued the generics re: the patent (sp)?



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I just filled my generic 40

I just filled my generic 40 mg TEVA's Monday. There are very few left but I did find a pharmacy