June 1, 2007 - 7:56pm
Jeff Tuttle will appear on the front cover of Recovery Solutions Magazine's and will be the feature story in the 2007 Summer issue that will be available June 1, 2007.
I am a person in long-term recovery from drug dependence (opiates). I am also a entertainer (singer/songwriter) that has dedicated my life to try to remove the stigma associated with "the disease of addiction" and to show that people can and do recovery and can lead a positive and productive life and can be a contributing member of there community and society. I am one individual among millions who are successfully living as positive, contributing members in communities across the country.
If you or anyone you know are dependant on opiates please visit www.naabt.org You can be successfully treated for opiate dependency in the privacy of your doctors office, just like I am.
There is a new "Miracle Pill" called Suboxone (buprenorphine) now available that has been proven successful in treating opiate dependency. It is the first medicine to be approved by the FDA to treat opiate dependency in over 20 years. The NAABT has a patient Doctor locator and a wealth of information and resources available.
For the record, with Suboxone YOU ARE NOT TRADING ONE HIGH FOR ANOTHER!
While I am no expert I will be more than glad to discuss anything to do with "the disease of addiction" with you and will share any information that I have found with you. I can be reached here on myspace or at
You can also preview and/or order Recovery Solutions Magazine at http://www.recoverysolutionsmag.com/ Please don't hesitate to contact me, all contacts and conversation's will be held in STRICT confidence.
Sincerely,
Jeff Tuttle
June 1, 2007 - 11:56pm
#2
I'm not trying to be rude
I'm not trying to be rude but, it seems that you are implying that the majority of users here are drug addicts. Most of the regular users on the board here are people with actual medical problems and require opiates to manage their pain, and would probabley take offense to your assumption (I know at least I do).
And I read your other post, why did you start going to a methadone clinic if you were addicted to hydrocodone? It seems surprising that a doctor would have recommended you a methadone maintenance program for addiction to hydrocodone unless you were taking a truly massive, liver damaging amount (how many mg of hydrocodone were you averaging?)
It would have been nice if you didnt copy paste the thread too,
"I can be emailed here at Detroitcity.com or....."
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Tuna
June 2, 2007 - 1:23am
#3
The Disease Of Addiction
First, This was intended for people who suffer from or know someone who suffers from "The Disease of Addiction" (Even if it was only one person) and wasn't implying that anyone here is a "Drug Addict." I have noticed several posting here that claim to be addicted to Vicodin, Oxycontin.
Second, methadone IS used to treat "The Disease of Addiction to Opiates (Vicodin, Oxycontin, Codeine)." and a lot of the methadone clinics are now treating more people addicted to prescripton pain medication (hydrocodone, Oxycontin) than they are people addicted to heroin.
When I started taking Vicodin Es (hydrocone) I was taking 3-4 a day as prescribed and then that progressed to 12 a day and then to a minimum of 50 to more like 100 a day.
And if none of these apply to you, then I wonder why you responded or were offended by my post since it didn't pertain you?
I know several people who need opiates to manage their pain and this post wasn't for them or people like them either.
June 2, 2007 - 1:49am
#4
anytime there is a post on
anytime there is a post on here about new topics, or topics that are used often, the regular posters will usually always comment and reply to them. Not only do we like to help other people, but we also like to learn new things in the process.
Where did you come up with the phrase "The Disease of Addiction to Opiates"? Like I said in your other post, it just sounds like an advertisement, and not something that most regular posters refer to on here.
Yes, you are right about methadone being prescribed to people with opiate addictions, however, methadone is more a step-up to hydrocodone. You will see more methadone treatments for people addicted to morphine and oxycodone (oxycontin) as these are much stronger meds. Most people on here will advise not to go from hydrocodone to methadone. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it is just not advisable.
no offense to you, but I think the reason alot of people on here are getting defensive is that we've been on here alot,and spent countless hours doing research and helping other people. When someone new comes on here and speaks as if they are an expert, or know alot, or something the way you have, every regular perks up and gets defensive. usually we see new people coming on here asking us for help, not trying to dispense information that we already know.
your last phrase, "there are people who need opiates to manage pain, and this post was not directed for them" makes me think that you are intending your posts to be directed towards people who are just addicted to pain meds (opiates) without legitamite pain. If this is the case, you are on the wrong site. We only promote legal activity, and taking opiates without a prescription or legitamite reason is considered illegal activity in most people's eyes. Discussing this type of behavior is not permitted on this site.
I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.
June 2, 2007 - 3:04am
#5
We only promote legal
We only promote legal activity?
Where in any of my post do you feel that I "Promote Illegal Activity?"
"But I think the reason alot (2) of people (so far) on here are getting defensive?"
Most people on here will advise not to go from hydrocodone to methadone?
You are implying that with all of your countless hours of research that you "are an expert" and that "you have all the answers" to any question that anyone might have.
I think I specifically stated, "As I am no expert, just a testimonial."
This is a serious question. Who owns this site? Are you saying I came on your site?
June 2, 2007 - 3:14am
#6
100 vicodin's a day?That had
100 vicodin's a day?
That had to be between 325g to 750g of acetametiphen a day?!? How did you manage to avoid liver failure considering 4g is where liver failure begins? thats at least 81-187 times the leathal limit!!!! Even 50 at 325mg is 162g of APAP!
As far as the people here that do post looking for help with their addiction, all of the regulars here help them and more often than not. Alot of us (myself included) recommend suboxene to people looking for help. Did you read the threads or just the titles? I think we do a pretty #%^*! good job of trying to help people with their addictions
And it should be noted that every case of addiction is different, you can't just recommend suboxene to everyone.
Look, I know your hearts in the right place, and it's great you want to help people so much, but we can handle it here.
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Tuna
June 2, 2007 - 3:37am
#7
now it sounds like you are
now it sounds like you are the one getting defensive- I'm not meaning to attack you here, so let me answer your questions:
1.
Quote:
"I know several people who need opiates to manage their pain and this post wasn't for them or people like them either"
The medical use of opiate medications (controlled substances) is to control pain. Opiates are prescribed by a doctor for this reason. When opiates (controlled substances, narcotics, pills, whatever you want to call them) are used for reasons other than its intended, specified use, it is usually considered illegal activity (at least around here it is). Now there may be certain situations where this does not apply, but speaking generally, if pain pills (opiates) are not used to control pain as specified by a doctor, then it is being used incorrectly, or illegally. If you are saying that you are talking only to people who use pain medications for reasons other than pain, you may not realize it but we consider that promoting illegal activity.
2. It may only be two or three people getting defensive, but those 2-3 are the only so far that have seen your post. Out of the 2-3 who have seen your info, all are getting defensive in one way or another. I am NOT saying though, that you information is wrong or won't help, on the contrary, it probably will help alot of people.
3. If you search previous posts about hydrocodone or methadone, you will find that the majority of posters will tell others not to go from hydrocodone to methadone if they do not have to, partly because methadone is so much stronger than hydrocodone. I also have never said I am an expert as I do not have a medical degree in pharmacology, or as a medical doctor. I can only speculate my advice or opinion. I have never said or implied either that I have all the answers. I merely have my opinion, or the information (opinion and facts) given by other posters.
4. I do not know who OWNS the site, however I know it is maintained and edited by TeamPharmer. If you have any questions as to ownership I suggest you direct your questions and comments to him. I have also never said this is my site, but just like a babysitter or teacher, or others who come in contact with a baby get defensive and protective; alot of the regulars on this site get defensive and protective especially when it comes to the rules and regulations of conduct and what is allowed for posting. We all have hours under our belt and experience as to what goes on at pharmer.org, so when there are newcomers, we make sure they are aware of these same rules and regulations that can be found at www.pharmer.org/node/78
I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.
June 2, 2007 - 3:46am
#8
but we can handle it
but we can handle it here.
Tuna, Do you think before you type ?
June 2, 2007 - 3:55am
#9
www.pharmer.org/forum/rules
http://www.pharmer.org/node/78
That was the first thing I read.
Me getting defensive?
Look at what you replied to my post. You got defensive and negative right away.
And look at the other reply and then let's talk about negative patting ourselves on the back.
"We try not to make assumptions on here."
Who are you trying to convince?
June 2, 2007 - 4:12am
#10
I dont understand what you
I dont understand what you mean by "negative patting ourselves on the back". Also, your quote is not from this post, it is from your other post. Can we try to just stick with one or the other and quit jumping back and forth, since they are about the same thing anyway?
I'm a social worker, not a medical professional. All comments and thoughts are simply my opinion and experience.
June 2, 2007 - 10:08am
#11
recovery magazine
Jeff Tuttle-hi I am interested in regards to when & where this magazine will be on sale, also may I purchase it at my local safeway?thanks!Also will this be the launch of this magazine? Thank you-blueangel
June 2, 2007 - 11:44am
#12
OK, I shouldn't speak for
OK, I shouldn't speak for everyone here on the forum, but I will personally take the time to respond to every addict that starts a thread here looking for help. But how can you not understand how I wouldn't find your statement offensive? Most of the threads here pertain to discussions about various medicines (opiates or otherwise). Think of it like a local pharmacy you've been going regularlly to for a while where people would just be hanging out waiting for their prescription (which may be for an opioid analgesic)... now someone new walks in and starts talking about "I'm ready to help you with your addiction, I too know how it feels to be an addict"
How would that make you feel Jeff? A little upset, I'd bet right?
Do you understand what I'm saying now, do you see how it may have been easy to get that impression?
Anyway jeff, seriously how did you manage so much acetaminophen. I researched the subject a little more to make sure 4g was correct, and yes 4g does cause serious liver problems but it seems 24g is pretty much the kinda "gaurenteed to kill you" point (although people have died at lower doses) which is still 20x greater than 100 hydrocodone APAPs with an average of 500mg of acetaminophen.
Source:
Larson AM, Polson J, Fontana RJ, et al., Acute Liver Failure Study Group . Acetaminophen-induced acute liver failure: results of a United States multicenter, prospective study. Hepatology. 2005;42(6):1364–1372..
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Tuna
June 2, 2007 - 12:24pm
#13
Hi Blue Angel,I am not sure
Hi Blue Angel,
I am not sure what stores have Recovery Solutions Magazine for sale.
I do know you can subscribe through there website, www.recoverysolutionsmag.com as well as preview this issue and see previous issues.
I think you can call and/or email them and see what stores sell the magazine.
The magazine has been around for a year or two? This issue is the Volume 3, 8th edition. I am not sure what that means but will find out.
I will add this, my story aside. It is a very informative magazine that covers a wide variety of issues regarding recovery for people of all ages. And it is an awesome magazine dedicated to recovery.
June 2, 2007 - 1:15pm
#14
I don't know why I survived
I don't know why I survived given the amount of acetaminophen I was ingesting? And I don't know what damage I have done that might not show up until later in life?
The only answer I can come up with is that God has other plans for me. That is why I have came forward with my story and have dedicated the rest of my life to addiction and recovery programs.
I am cautious about discussing the amounts I was doing and want to make this perfectly clear. These amounts were very excessive to say the least and ridiculous and very very dangerous! I don't want anyone the impression and to think that they are safe doing 10, 20, 30, or 40 a day since I survived doing 100 a day. Like you said, there are people who have died on lower doses. And a lot lower.
I know people that were doing the amounts I was doing and know of some than were and are doing more than that.
I remember when I first heard Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash talk about doing 200 plus diet pills (speed) a day and Valium at night to come down that they just had to be exaggerating, that 200 plus a day was just impossible.
As I say time and time again, I am no expert (not even close) just a testimonial.
I'll give you something that amazed me. When I was on methadone it was suppose to be unacceptable to be over 100 mgs of methadone a day. The 100 mg was kind of the cut off point. being on the road a lot and "guess dosing" at different clinics across the USA and Canada I met several people who were doing (prescribed) 350 mgs of methadone a day and met 2 guys who were on 650 mgs a day!
So I guess our systems and tolerance are different. It was years before I got to the point that I was doing 100 a day. I can vividly recall when I started doing 5 Vicodin Es (7.5) at a time. I was so afraid then that I was going to die. Then 5 at a time became my regular dose.
And last. What statement was it that I said that offended you?
I didn't or would I ever intentionally offend anyone.
June 2, 2007 - 2:23pm
#15
sounds awesome
Thanks Mr. Tuttle,
I am curious to know is this based on a Hazledon concept or Rational Recovery Groups. Or perhaps is this based on the infamous 12 step rehab programs? Like A.A. which I know has been a great help to many people-thanks-blueangel
June 2, 2007 - 3:06pm
#16
Hi Blueangel,I'm not sure
Hi Blueangel,
I'm not sure but I don't think it is based on any particular group?
I think all groups are represented.
Jeff
June 2, 2007 - 4:16pm
#17
sounds great
yes, thank you once again Mr. Tuttle, that would be a extremely beneficial aspect for the viewer, & opening up different doors for someone who wants to get sober but has a difficult time understanding what it truly takes, honesty, willingness. blueangel
June 3, 2007 - 10:21am
#18
ANYTHING I can say or do to help anyone, please ask.
Thanks again,
If there is ANYTHING I can say or do to help anyone, please ask.
I can be reached here on pharmer or at jefftuttle@hotmail.com .And as always any conversation will be held in strict confidence.
Thanks again Blueangel.
Jeff
June 3, 2007 - 10:52pm
#19
I'd believe people taking
I'd believe people taking that much methadone, I've seen people build up amazing tolerences to opioids. I'm just suprised at the amount of APAP you've ingested. Have you ever had your liver examined? If not, I'd highly recommend it.
And what offended me was your first post, refer to my analogy in my previous post and hopefully it will be more clear.
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Tuna
June 9, 2007 - 8:05pm
#20
why I'm here
Yes I have had my liver tested twice in the last 4 years.
I posted on here to make myself available to eople that suffer from addiction and want to question someone who is in recovery from addiction.
So far I have spoke with 29 different people from this site that have emailed me directly and explained they felt more comfortable talking in private email and didn't want to post on a open forum for various reasons.
And I will quote a few:
1) "It would be alot more valuable to me hearing from someone who knows what it is like to go through this"
2) "Thanks for taking the time to read my email, I don't feel comfortable bearing my soul in a public forum"
3)
"Hi Jeff...I hope you don't mind my emailing you directly. I don't want my address in a forum as this is a touchy subject for me." |
This is why I post on forums. Not to be a know it all or to try to impress someone or to try to "sell my Cd" or to further my career.
I don't know it all, not even close and don't proclaim too. But what I do know I feel obligated to make my self available to anyone who would like to talk with someone that has been there.
I get alot of these emails from the different forum's and bulletin boards that I post on. And most of them don't want to post in the open.
I know how much easier and a whole lot less stressful for me had I been able to talk with someone who had some personal experience going on Suboxone and would have shared their story with me.
I have dedicated the rest of my life and my career to "The Disease of Addiction" and Recovery.
That is why I'm here.
Jeff
June 9, 2007 - 8:35pm
#21
And as far as the amounts of
And as far as the amounts of apap (acetaminophen) that I ingested which by the way was excessive and ridiculous, I have met people that make me look like a "school boy" and who ingested far more than I did.
Jeff
June 9, 2007 - 8:43pm
#22
Thank You
JeffTuttle,
Personally I want to thank you for your posts and all the help provided to others via email or private message.
I'm only interested in pill identification but I do read most of the threads. And your posts are insightful, accurate and educate others about the 'disease of addiction' and one possible solution that might help many people.
Suboxone is relatively new to the US market, and many are not aware that it even exists. The DEA had such onerous restrictions when Suboxone first entered the market. Now it's better, but the rules are still pretty restrictive.
Again, thanks. And personally I really like your music.
And I think it's fantastic that you are donating all the proceeds from one album to addiction recovery. Thank you.
I'm not a pharmacist or a medical doctor. This message is not medical advice nor is it an offer to provide medical advice. All drug identifications should be validated by a licensed MD or pharmacist.
June 10, 2007 - 12:51am
#23
excuse me
tuna thinks before he types, i missed that down right rude comment.why don't you wallpaper your bathroom with your picture covers of your magazine. humility is the start of strong sobriety,next is honesty, & openess & a complete surrender of self -i have a 10 year sobriety coin & trust me, i NEVER TAKE EACH DAY FOR GRANTED.I AM GRATEFUL FOR GOING ON 11 YEARS OF SOLID SOBRIETY.please do not be rude with your "way" of stuffing your ways down everyone throats . that is great you p.m. people, don't advertise your tender sobriety. this is the 1st time i have ever publicly in the almost year i have been a member of this sight ommitted to my recoverying -1 day at a time & for the grace of GOD GO I .Thanks blueangel
June 10, 2007 - 1:08am
#24
Jeff, I'm honestly not
Jeff, I'm honestly not ragging on you here, but there is a problem:
JeffTuttle wrote:
You can also preview and/or order Recovery Solutions Magazine at http://www.recoverysolutionsmag.com/ Please don't hesitate to contact me, all contacts and conversation's will be held in STRICT confidence.
You said that all contacts and conversations will be held in strict confidence, yet you admit that people are contacting you, and even cut and paste their comments to you. Even though the snippets you posted could be from anybody, some people who sent you those PM's might be a little upset that you wrote about it on here. It is sort of self grandiose behavior. I like your posts, do not get me wrong. However; if a member chooses to confide in you, and then you post about how many people are confiding in you, do you really think they will continue to confide in you? Some posters on the board are really sensitive to certain areas, and may feel betrayed that you chose to post these, even though you do not give their names.
For the record, none of those quotes came from me.
PMs are Private Messages, and are meant to be kept private.
I agree with Kirby, that given your experience and success with Suboxone, you are in a unique position to offer firsthand experiences about Suboxone. I also extremely appreciate the fact that you are willing, as most of us are, to admit that you do not have all the answers. Please do not feel that I am ragging on you with this post, I like your posts, and I like your story. I just think that if you say things will be kept in strict confidence, that includes not making any references, however vague they may be, about correspondences from some posters. The people who sent you those PM's might assume that we can "guess" who they came from, and it may embarrass them.
Gtrplayer
June 10, 2007 - 3:59am
#25
Even though the snippets you posted could be from anybody
Admitting that people are contacting me privately is in no way breaking confidentiality.
Quote:
Even though the snippets you posted could be from anybody
That is why I used the "snippets" because it is impossible to figure out who they might be. You said it best, " the snippets you posted could be from anybody."
Person #4 I was on the phone with when I was writing that post and they even said, "tell team why I would only discuss my business in a private email instead of posting in a open forum" and said they have "never" posted on here.
This was posted to make a point when someone said and I'll quote,
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If you are saying that you are talking only to people who use pain medications for reasons other than pain, you may not realize it but we consider that promoting illegal activity.
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and it's great you want to help people so much, but we can handle it here.
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The people who sent you those PM's might assume that we can "guess" who they came from, and it may embarrass them
The only one that had any kind of description was #4 and I was on the phone with them and they said to use their introduction. That's when I decided to use the snippets.
Again, " the snippets you posted could be from anybody."
That says it all.
Question, "are these people being helped or did I embarrass them (when you have no clue who the are by the snippets)?"
I emailed all four before I responded to this. Well 3 of the 4 have already emailed me back and all 3 said "there is no way that anyone could think that came from me," and "no one could think that I said that,' and "I don't even see where that could be from me and I said it (lol)." And had no problem with what I used, I haven't heard from #4 but as I already stated, I was on the phone with them when I wrote that post.
June 10, 2007 - 7:37am
#26
did you miss this one too?
Tuna says,
Quote:
"and it's great you want to help people so much, but we can handle it here."
Did you catch this????? Or did you miss this one too? I'd talk about rude comments
Quote:
then why are you? Tell me about down right rude comments.please do not be rude
Jeff
June 10, 2007 - 11:07am
#27
Hey Jeff, That's cool,
Hey Jeff,
That's cool, as long as they don't have any problem with it:)
Gtrplayer
June 18, 2007 - 5:08pm
#28
Thank you very much Kirby.
Thank you very much Kirby.
June 19, 2007 - 5:43pm
#29
humility
I think humility is the greatest quality a human can posses along with the strength to remain humble.....LOL.
thelifeline
Thanks Jeff, I had never heard of this miracle pill, Suboxone, until you told us about it and the magazine.
Glad you're no longer addicted.
Gtrplayer